Gear by mail

[Yano]

 

[Test_subject]

You want us to give an opinion on a rumor that has no basis formed to support it yet?

I'll just say this; people will always find a way around the system. The raws I've seen are already shipped in barrier bags (x-ray proof) so I doubt small brewers would be effected, but if you're really this worried then just stock up on raws now and learn how to homebrew.

Once again, I'm not concerned.

Exactly right. There has been a war on cocaine for like 40+ years and I could make a phone call and get some. I don’t even do that shit, but it’s not exactly hard to get.

If there’s a profit in it, people will find a way.

 

[cocoh23]

Exactly right. There has been a war on cocaine for like 40+ years and I could make a phone call and get some. I don’t even do that shit, but it’s not exactly hard to get.

If there’s a profit in it, people will find a way.

I hope that’s the case. I don’t want this to turn into a full blown undercover operation over our mail.

 

[lifter6973]

I hope that’s the case. I don’t want this to turn into a full blown undercover operation over our mail.

If you are being for real you are showing signs of a paranoid schizophrenic bro. You are obsessed with the what ifs and seem to always be in a fear mode.

 

[cocoh23]

If you are being for real you are showing signs of a paranoid schizophrenic bro. You are obsessed with the what ifs and seem to always be in a fear mode.

I wouldn’t say schizophrenic. But it does seem a little fishy, and cause for concern

 

[lifter6973]

I wouldn’t say schizophrenic. But it does seem a little fishy, and cause for concern

I know, everyone has paranoia myself included but you have been posting about these things for some time here and on meso.
Do you find yourself fearing other things or worrying to much about other things?
I'll put it this way, I have some OCD issues which is why I made my post. I am not trying to bust your balls.

 

[A B C XYZ]

i know a few people *3* that work for the United States Postal Service. It appears my whole worry of bad raws and gear going out of stock should have been the least of my worries. The people I know have told me that in the next few years, the postal service will completely change. Getting gear through the mail could be extremely difficult; especially if they will be allowed to look at our packages, track every pack that comes from one location, they are thinking of every way to possibly stop illegal drugs from going through the mail system. I would hope that’s not the case, but if anyone has an opinion or any facts they would like to share on that, please do.

We know what you are doing every moment now, we are watching you!

 

[cocoh23]

I know, everyone has paranoia myself included but you have been posting about these things for some time here and on meso.
Do you find yourself fearing other things or worrying to much about other things?
I'll put it this way, I have some OCD issues which is why I made my post. I am not trying to bust your balls.

I understand. No, I’ve admitted to having OCD about the whole situation. From raws, to UGLS, to the mailing situation

 

[lifter6973]

I understand. No, I’ve admitted to having OCD about the whole situation. From raws, to UGLS, to the mailing situation

In that case it is understandable and I can relate to you having been there and still there myself on some other perceived issues that I spend way too much time worrying about and taking up space in my head.
Unfortunately I have no real answer on ways to improve. I do take one med and I guess it helps but hard to say really.

 

[Hercule]

A letter from U.S. Customs asking you to dispute the seizure or confess or something. I think most here would just let their source know about the seizure and ignore the letter.

Has anyone ever did again and had a second letter or have they preceeded prosecution?

 

[cavorite]

LE isn’t going to waste time and money prosecuting something like this. I really wouldn’t worry.

I used to order tons of stuff through the darknet and never had an issue - except I wish I had got sober and kept the bitcoin instead

 

[Hercule]

LE isn’t going to waste time and money prosecuting something like this. I really wouldn’t worry.

I used to order tons of stuff through the darknet and never had an issue - except I wish I had got sober and kept the bitcoin instead

So in theory I could just keep buying raws and if it gets seized by u.s. customs over and over again, they really won't do anything about it? I'll just get letters from them? The Reason I'm asking is because I've had a letter from customs before and I ignored it as well. What makes you think they won't proceed prosecution? If we're to get seized again?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Has anyone ever did again and had a second letter or have they preceeded prosecution?

No idea. Many sources will reship if this happens though.

 

[Hercule]

Oh, well thats generous of them. US domestic is probably better than trying to get through customs and having customs sending warning letters. But if LE won't do anything about it, guess there's nothing to worry about.

 

[Hercule]

I ordered domestic and got all 3 shipments. The ones from one warehouse were 1uite a bit stealthier than the other but. Got all 3 and all that will happen if it gets caught is you'll get a letter and the source will reship it. Only took a week each shipment

Would you worry about getting another letter?

 

[cavorite]

What makes you think they won't proceed prosecution? If we're to get seized ag

I can’t guarantee anything of course, but my address was “burned” and i kept ordering for years without a problem (except for the occasional seizure)

my general point was that LE has very limited resources and only prosecutes the very top people

 

[Hercule]

Ohh, I see. So.. did you have more than one seizure? I see you point though. I heard that the shipping label actually takes the seizure what ever that means....
Sounds like a common thing..

 

[biggerben692000]

I can’t guarantee anything of course, but my address was “burned” and i kept ordering for years without a problem (except for the occasional seizure)

my general point was that LE has very limited resources and only prosecutes the very top people

There is so much "WRONG" with what the OP is being told and there are many things that the OP isn't being told that he should.

Also, the search function is probably the most neglected source of info that I can think of here at ugbb. This topic has been discussed and dissected many times since our forum went online in 2012. This is a good thing as so many things have changed over the years.

I have to apologize to the OP and I can only hope he comes back to check on his thread after receiving pretty much nothing of use from members who have plenty of real world advice, info, and experience but instead offered 1 liners that aren't going to do anything except give obvious noobs a false sense of security when it comes to a topic that apparently needs to be discussed.

First; "LE has very limited resources" is just NOT true. When discussing shipping Schedule 3 aas we are talking about the federal gov't which has VAST resources. The truth is the polar opposite of what the OP was told.

I've discussed this topic many times here and other forums over the years. I unfortunately speak from experience. Over a dozen years ago I had a US Postal Inspector and several FBI agents in my living room after my front door was breached by local LE who were present to lend support to their cohorts that very fucked up morning.

I had been aware that I was being surveilled for some time and received a phone call from an associate who works in a secretarial capacity for a Gov't LE agency letting me know that my name was run through the NCIC. An investigation that had been initiated by LE after an informant reported that I was using the USPS to distribute illicit products to various individuals around the Country.

This is an example of the #1 way that a domestic pkg is discovered/picked off by LE...that is, a citizen reports illegal activity to LE.
LE doesn't investigate every call or email they receive. That isn't practical. LE may take a cursory glance at the info received and make a decision. It could be from an angry soon to be ex-wife involved in a custody battle wanting to gain the upper hand? Do you all tell your wives and gf's about your use? That's a thread for another time.

If the info has come from a CI(confidential informant) the chance are very good that LE will move on the info.

Another way LE decides is how things kicked off for me; LE will run the subjects name through the NCIC. If the guy has no criminal record they very well may move on. If there is a previous felony drug conviction on a guys record the chances of an investigation starting grow exponentially.

Other ways your pkg may be snagged and a cd(controlled delivery) happen is if the pkg has the earmarks of a pkg containing contraband. The USPS teaches its employees what to look for when it comes to pkg's with illegal drugs in them.
Some examples would be...
1) Where the pkg originates from. So Cal and towns along our Southern Border can be scrutinized.
2) An excessive amount of tape. Tape is used to help keep smells from escaping a pkg. Marijuana stanks. If a vacuum sealed pkg is punctured the aroma can be overwhelming.
3)Excessive masking agents can be a red flag. Too many dryer sheets, etc.
4) Hand written address/shipping labels. An official pkg from a company such as Macy's will be computer generated not hand written.
5) In our world, broken vials leaking through a box is a problem.

There are many more. While 1 of these "What to look for" things won't have a pkg get a 2nd look, several of them may set in motion a search warrant and more.

When it comes to Int pkg's they all must pass through a Point of Entry and US Customs Inspection.
Your zip code can play a huge role in your chances of receiving your pkg or having it seized. An example of an "Unfriendly" zip code are all zip codes in CA. Reason being is that your pkg in all likelihood will not go through JFK Point of Entry.
An example of a "Friendly" zip code would be 1 that start with 060...living in a state in the Tri State Area(Ct in the 060 example) will have your pkg pass through JFK which receives 60% and more of all mail/pkg's entering our country. O'Hare in Chicago and Long Beach are 2 other Points of Entry that receive the remaining 40%. There is safety in #'s. JFK cannot check as many pkg's as the other spots.

Safety in #'s applies to domestically mailed pkg's as far as them receiving a second look. The usps knows that Priority EXPRESS Mail is favored by drug dealers and buyers. Always has been and always will be.

Reasons...Express mail is most times next day if the pkg is received by the USPS before the cutoff time which is sometime around 3pm depending on location. A small % of Express Mail on the Mainland is 2 day. In both cases, Next Day and 2 Day, there is a money back guarantee it will be delivered on a specific date and time.

Warrants can take time and tracking for Express Mail is more "Real Time" than other mail. Used to be if an Express Mail Pkg that is normally Next Day isn't and is delayed, dealers and buyers were expected to exercise discipline and abandon the pkg and also to NOT apply for the refund of the amount paid for the EXPRESS pkg.

Accepting the PKG and applying for the refund acknowledges your either shipping the pkg...expecting the pkg....or at the very least shows you knew of the pkg.

When you do receive any type of pkg that contains illegal items you should write "Return To Sender" on the pkg and leave it in view of your front door. 24hrs is generally enough time as a cd will go down in that time.

To give yourself more credibility, your residence should be free of anything illegal or more of what is in the pkg or related to the contents. If you have gear in your home and have a box sitting next to your door with RTS written on that contains gear your position isn't nearly as strong as it would be if your home was free of gear and syringes with that same box with RTS written on it. Its all about plausible-deniability at that point.

With fentanyl killing members of society that "mean something" to those in power, controlled deliveries are happening more than they ever have been.

With the killer coming from China, pkg's from China, all of them, are red flagged with the chances of those pkg's being inspected great.

The factories in China that manufacture/synthesize Fentanyl are the same ones that give us Raw Steroid Powders.
Our Customs are looking for Fentanyl and as a bonus are snatching up our Raw Powders.

There are things that I've missed and forgotten to list. Any help filling in the blanks would be appreciated. I've got to move on. Last thing...I like to joke around, too. Lets not forget the new guy...especially when he asks for help.

 

[A B C XYZ]

There is so much "WRONG" with what the OP is being told and there are many things that the OP isn't being told that he should.

Also, the search function is probably the most neglected source of info that I can think of here at ugbb. This topic has been discussed and dissected many times since our forum went online in 2012. This is a good thing as so many things have changed over the years.

I have to apologize to the OP and I can only hope he comes back to check on his thread after receiving pretty much nothing of use from members who have plenty of real world advice, info, and experience but instead offered 1 liners that aren't going to do anything except give obvious noobs a false sense of security when it comes to a topic that apparently needs to be discussed.

First; "LE has very limited resources" is just NOT true. When discussing shipping Schedule 3 aas we are talking about the federal gov't which has VAST resources. The truth is the polar opposite of what the OP was told.

I've discussed this topic many times here and other forums over the years. I unfortunately speak from experience. Over a dozen years ago I had a US Postal Inspector and several FBI agents in my living room after my front door was breached by local LE who were present to lend support to their cohorts that very fucked up morning.

I had been aware that I was being surveilled for some time and received a phone call from an associate who works in a secretarial capacity for a Gov't LE agency letting me know that my name was run through the NCIC. An investigation that had been initiated by LE after an informant reported that I was using the USPS to distribute illicit products to various individuals around the Country.

This is an example of the #1 way that a domestic pkg is discovered/picked off by LE...that is, a citizen reports illegal activity to LE.
LE doesn't investigate every call or email they receive. That isn't practical. LE may take a cursory glance at the info received and make a decision. It could be from an angry soon to be ex-wife involved in a custody battle wanting to gain the upper hand? Do you all tell your wives and gf's about your use? That's a thread for another time.

If the info has come from a CI(confidential informant) the chance are very good that LE will move on the info.

Another way LE decides is how things kicked off for me; LE will run the subjects name through the NCIC. If the guy has no criminal record they very well may move on. If there is a previous felony drug conviction on a guys record the chances of an investigation starting grow exponentially.

Other ways your pkg may be snagged and a cd(controlled delivery) happen is if the pkg has the earmarks of a pkg containing contraband. The USPS teaches its employees what to look for when it comes to pkg's with illegal drugs in them.
Some examples would be...
1) Where the pkg originates from. So Cal and towns along our Southern Border can be scrutinized.
2) An excessive amount of tape. Tape is used to help keep smells from escaping a pkg. Marijuana stanks. If a vacuum sealed pkg is punctured the aroma can be overwhelming.
3)Excessive masking agents can be a red flag. Too many dryer sheets, etc.
4) Hand written address/shipping labels. An official pkg from a company such as Macy's will be computer generated not hand written.
5) In our world, broken vials leaking through a box is a problem.

There are many more. While 1 of these "What to look for" things won't have a pkg get a 2nd look, several of them may set in motion a search warrant and more.

When it comes to Int pkg's they all must pass through a Point of Entry and US Customs Inspection.
Your zip code can play a huge role in your chances of receiving your pkg or having it seized. An example of an "Unfriendly" zip code are all zip codes in CA. Reason being is that your pkg in all likelihood will not go through JFK Point of Entry.
An example of a "Friendly" zip code would be 1 that start with 060...living in a state in the Tri State Area(Ct in the 060 example) will have your pkg pass through JFK which receives 60% and more of all mail/pkg's entering our country. O'Hare in Chicago and Long Beach are 2 other Points of Entry that receive the remaining 40%. There is safety in #'s. JFK cannot check as many pkg's as the other spots.

Safety in #'s applies to domestically mailed pkg's as far as them receiving a second look. The usps knows that Priority EXPRESS Mail is favored by drug dealers and buyers. Always has been and always will be.

Reasons...Express mail is most times next day if the pkg is received by the USPS before the cutoff time which is sometime around 3pm depending on location. A small % of Express Mail on the Mainland is 2 day. In both cases, Next Day and 2 Day, there is a money back guarantee it will be delivered on a specific date and time.

Warrants can take time and tracking for Express Mail is more "Real Time" than other mail. Used to be if an Express Mail Pkg that is normally Next Day isn't and is delayed, dealers and buyers were expected to exercise discipline and abandon the pkg and also to NOT apply for the refund of the amount paid for the EXPRESS pkg.

Accepting the PKG and applying for the refund acknowledges your either shipping the pkg...expecting the pkg....or at the very least shows you knew of the pkg.

When you do receive any type of pkg that contains illegal items you should write "Return To Sender" on the pkg and leave it in view of your front door. 24hrs is generally enough time as a cd will go down in that time.

To give yourself more credibility, your residence should be free of anything illegal or more of what is in the pkg or related to the contents. If you have gear in your home and have a box sitting next to your door with RTS written on that contains gear your position isn't nearly as strong as it would be if your home was free of gear and syringes with that same box with RTS written on it. Its all about plausible-deniability at that point.

With fentanyl killing members of society that "mean something" to those in power, controlled deliveries are happening more than they ever have been.

With the killer coming from China, pkg's from China, all of them, are red flagged with the chances of those pkg's being inspected great.

The factories in China that manufacture/synthesize Fentanyl are the same ones that give us Raw Steroid Powders.
Our Customs are looking for Fentanyl and as a bonus are snatching up our Raw Powders.

There are things that I've missed and forgotten to list. Any help filling in the blanks would be appreciated. I've got to move on. Last thing...I like to joke around, too. Lets not forget the new guy...especially when he asks for help.

Many people are ordering stuff from China now. How often do you hear of something getting seized?

Also remember, Gov employees get paid by the hour. They are lazy like anyone else, and would rather goof off, than investigate some minor thing, that will cause them tons of paperwork.

 

[rocco-x]

If you've been good all year then Santa just might leave some in your stocking...this the season for them gainz