Growth Cycle

Badleroybrown said:

I am going to assume this is not your first cycle. If it is not.. how many in the past…and were they all like this basic questions.
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W
Bf
Calories going to take in..??
This is almost a professional set up cycle.. there is a lot of work invoked in it.
Why add the tren in… is it for strength.
If you are running all the high test and deca you are going to be a “little” waterlogged to say the least . I would do without it.
I am just asking questions to maybe give me some knowledge… I am always into learning.

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Wunderpus said:

The time to officially kickstart my growth "season" is upon us...

This is intended to be the cliche "I want to put on muscle, with minimal fat" program that most people are seeking, with few ever achieving. I have dabbled with similar structures and programs to this model, there are just a few tweaks for this version that I will be testing out.

AAS/PED plan (what 98% of people are interested in):

Test Enanthate - 1500mg's/week
Deca Durabolin- 700mg's/week
Aromasin - 20mg's EoD

Rotating tren & oral structure-
- Weeks 1-3 - 50mg's Dianabol daily
- Weeks 4-6 - 50mg's Trenbolone Acetate daily
- Weeks 6 & 7- Off orals and Trenbolone
- Weeks 10-13 - 50mg's Dianabol daily
- Weeks 13-16 - 50mg's Trenbolone Acetate daily
- Weeks 17 & 18 - Off orals and Trenbolone

Growth Hormone and Insulin -
- 6ius daily of Serostim on training days
- 3ius daily of generic hGH on non-training days
- 20ius Lantus on Serostim days (this will probably be cycled as needed, not run consistently).
- 5iu Humalog pre-workout on Serostim days
- 500mg's Berberine 2x daily on non-Lantus days

Supplements ( I can go into further detail on any of these and why I use them if you're interested)-
- Boron
- Astragalus
- Multi-Vitamin
- D3 & K2
- Citrus Bergamot
- Ubiquinol
- Ashwagandha
- Creatine Monohydrate
- L-Glutamine

Training- I will be doing heavy training during this protocol with "pump" work (muscle rounds, drop sets, etc towards the end of the weight training) and stretching at the end of each workout (DC style stretching). Cardio will be LISS on non-weight training days in the AM w/ the 3iu of Generic hGH. The goal is to keep insulin sensitivity high, health in order and just to keep my metabolism up and running at full speed.

Diet- Starting off I'm just shooting for around a 12% surplus in calories (increasing protein and carbohydrates, not tweaking fats currently). This will change weekly based on the scale, the mirror, and body fat measurements.

All of the drugs are subject to change based on what I'm seeing and feeling.

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silentlemon1011 said:

Nice setup
Good to see you here and posting
Always enjoyed your stuff back on Meso
You obviously know your stuff

Just one comment
Add Magnesium Glycinate
that's a long oral/Tren run, despite the alternating schedule
Will help substantially with sleep and any GI issues you run into

Subbed

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silentlemon1011 said:

Also
one more
I'm a little surprised you dint run higher Log as a PWO at your level
Is there a specific reason for the 5iu dosing?

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Wunderpus said:

Hey there, thanks for your response and questions! I'll knock them out as best as I can:

Height- 6'1"
Weight- 250-255lbs depending on time and day etc.
BF % - ~10% give or take. This is based on a quality at-home BF scale, but, it's still likely off a bit.
Calories- They will likely be around 3000k cals, then adjusted as needed. Focusing on protein first, followed by carbs then keeping fats at the minimal level.

Regarding the setup, I have done a FEW of these in the past

The tren is used almost like an oral, but aiding in strength, recovery, and conditioning for little peaks throughout the cycle. I've started doing this setup with the short oral doses and had very nice results. It seems to be a bit easier on my body and liver. I don't really get many bad tren sides at 350mg's/wk, especially when just used for 2-3 weeks. This allows me to cycle orals and tren with my base stack. During the periods that I have the tren in, I will do a bit more morning cardio and tren helps tremendously in regards to anti-catbolism. This will, in theory, allow me to maintain quality conditioning during a growth cycle.

Regarding test and deca together and water retention, this is always an issue, of course. It's also an issue with running hGH. But, it's just part of it. I do what I can to keep at it bay with Aromasin etc. However, I've never held water terribly. The supplements that aid in kidney function also seem to help.

Feel free to ask away, that's why I am sharing

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Valdosta said:

dude is massive and can still grow off 3000 calories? lifes unfair.
progress pics?

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Test_subject said:

Why are you running so much test? Test doesn’t build muscle — just ask Connor.

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Wunderpus said:

Because it has worked for me for a long, long time... Also, I try to run 2:1 test to deca, give or take. I do well on high test... I'd be comfortable bumping test to 2g if it was appropriate for my goals. But, for now, I'm comfortable with it at this level.

It's possible folks have trended towards lower test over the past few years, I don't really know. But, for me, it's always worked very well.

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silentlemon1011 said:

I'm very interested to see and follow along with the Oral/Tren alternation, and see the results at your level.
Its almost A la Roger Rabbit style.
Really e enjoyed his Adrol/Anavar rotation, helped maintain good qaulity gains while maintaining appearance and slowing down my sides from Adrol

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Test_subject said:

I was only kidding. I’m not sure if you’ve met Connor. He’s… interesting.

I’m a big fan of test as you can probably tell from my screen name

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Wunderpus said:

I am not familiar with Connor... Is he a member here?

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Test_subject said:

I’m pretty sure that he joined here but I forget his screen name. He’s another Meso expat.

He’s a good kid but he has some pretty whacky ideas about anabolics.

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Wunderpus said:

Because it has worked for me for a long, long time... Also, I try to run 2:1 test to deca, give or take. I do well on high test... I'd be comfortable bumping test to 2g if it was appropriate for my goals. But, for now, I'm comfortable with it at this level.

It's possible folks have trended towards lower test over the past few years, I don't really know. But, for me, it's always worked very well.

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silentlemon1011 said:

I'm very interested to see and follow along with the Oral/Tren alternation, and see the results at your level.
Its almost A la Roger Rabbit style.
Really e enjoyed his Adrol/Anavar rotation, helped maintain good qaulity gains while maintaining appearance and slowing down my sides from Adrol

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