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RiR0 · Jul 1, 2022

You know what triggers protein synthesis? Resistance training and protein consumption

RiR0 · Jul 1, 2022

Leucine is more important than a fucking pump you skinny fat weak gimp

BigBaldBeardGuy · Jul 1, 2022

Skullcrusher said:
So more protein is just fine and dandy.

More blood flow for protein synthesis?

Oh no...we can't have that!

...and oxygen?

Muscle contraction uses ATP.

The more ATP your muscles use, the more needs to be created.

ATP formation requires oxygen for the electron transport chain.

Make it a happy muscle!

You know what else synthesizes protein? Roids. But you can jab 1.5 g of roids in your body BUT without proper training that protein synthesis isn’t gonna do fuck all.

You’re gradually inching your argument around to @RiR0 side. Then you’ll be able to save face after 10 pages of bullshit.

Send0 · Jul 2, 2022

Skullcrusher said:
So more protein is just fine and dandy.

More blood flow for protein synthesis?

Oh no...we can't have that!

...and oxygen?

Muscle contraction uses ATP.

The more ATP your muscles use, the more needs to be created.

ATP formation requires oxygen for the electron transport chain.

Make it a happy muscle!

Stupid question here. Provided that we aren't holding our breath long enough to make our blood hypoxic, then don't we always have a constant supply of oxygen going to the muscle?

Second question, what is the process or mechanism that forces the muscle to require more oxygen and to make use of that oxygen, and how do we measure whether we've increased oxygen intake to an adequate level?

Last question, is this increase in oxygen beneficial outside of a workout?

Please don't react to this with a shit emoji. These are real questions and not a set up.

Yano · Jul 2, 2022

Wait wait wait ,, hold up ,,, if we need all this blood and oxygen for muscles to grow , some one explain Occlusion training to me ,, and why that works ?

BigBaldBeardGuy · Jul 2, 2022

Yano said:
Wait wait wait ,, hold up ,,, if we need all this blood and oxygen for muscles to grow , some one explain Occlusion training to me ,, and why that works ?

Excellent point. His previous pubmed article that he posted in support of his argument mentioned that “blood flow restriction training was beneficial for hypertrophy…”

@Skullcrusher, which is it? I’m confused and since you are clearly the expert on this I await your answer.

Send0 · Jul 2, 2022

Yano said:
Wait wait wait ,, hold up ,,, if we need all this blood and oxygen for muscles to grow , some one explain Occlusion training to me ,, and why that works ?

BigBaldBeardGuy said:
Excellent point. His previous pubmed article that he posted in support of his argument mentioned that “blood flow restriction training was beneficial for hypertrophy…”

@Skullcrusher, which is it? I’m confused and since you are clearly the expert on this I await your answer.

Well I was going to give an answer to occlusion training and the use cases where it's mostly used, and why... but I'll just STFU and let the big boys talk instead.

RiR0 · Jul 2, 2022

Send0 said:
Well I was going to give an answer to occlusion training and the use cases where it's mostly used, and why... but I'll just STFU and let the big boys talk instead.

I was going to reply with an actual human study about bfr training but I want Skully to respond. I have my thoughts on it but I’ll wait

Yano · Jul 2, 2022

Send0 said:
Well I was going to give an answer to occlusion training and the use cases where it's mostly used, and why... but I'll just STFU and let the big boys talk instead.

Yeah im actually curious that wasn't a wise ass comment or me being a smug douche ,, im honestly curious why it works if we need all that to and fro with the flow.

BigBaldBeardGuy · Jul 2, 2022

Send0 said:
Well I was going to give an answer to occlusion training and the use cases where it's mostly used, and why... but I'll just STFU and let the big boys talk instead.

I don’t know shit about that. My fatass nearly passes out after hard sets so it never occurred to me to restrict blood and oxygen flow. I would absolutely die.

Yano · Jul 2, 2022

BigBaldBeardGuy said:
I don’t know shit about that. My fatass nearly passes out after hard sets so it never occurred to me to restrict blood and oxygen flow. I would absolutely die.

Yeah last thing i need while i'm laying on the basement floor thanking God for cold concrete is a fucking tourniquet tied off some where on my body like a freakin junkie in an alley.

BigBaldBeardGuy · Jul 2, 2022

Yano said:
Yeah last thing i need while i'm laying on the basement floor thanking God for cold concrete is a fucking tourniquet tied off some where on my body like a freakin junkie in an alley.

Although under the right circumstances….
I don’t mind being choked to the brink of unconsciousness. Can we discuss the science supporting that rather than this bullshit “pump” nonsense?

Koonj · Jul 2, 2022

Test_subject said:
I use a system like this for my straight sets but more tailored to bodybuilding than PL:

- Pick a rep range appropriate to the exercise. Let’s stick with bench, so I like to use 6-10

- start with a weight that’s about an RPE 9 at 6 reps for the first set

- try to add at least one rep to at least one of the sets every session

- once you can hit 10 reps on all sets, bump the weight up to your new RPE9 at 6 reps

Rinse and repeat.

How many sets?

Achillesking · Jul 2, 2022

BigBaldBeardGuy said:
I don’t know shit about that. My fatass nearly passes out after hard sets so it never occurred to me to restrict blood and oxygen flow. I would absolutely die.

I turn red tying my shoe

Achillesking · Jul 2, 2022

Yano said:
Yeah im actually curious that wasn't a wise ass comment or me being a smug douche ,, im honestly curious why it works if we need all that to and fro with the flow.

Yiur always a smug douche so it's hard to tell the difference

Achillesking · Jul 2, 2022

I'm still in actually total fuckin awe that this is being debated. Like seriously really blows my fuckin mind. Then someone chimes in w some fancy Fuckin talk about the synthesis of chromosome 37 triggers a pump...no it's blood.

RiR0 · Jul 2, 2022

Achillesking said:
I'm still in actually total fuckin awe that this is being debated. Like seriously really blows my fuckin mind. Then someone chimes in w some fancy Fuckin talk about the synthesis of chromosome 37 triggers a pump...no it's blood.

It’s literally like someone arguing that side effects are what makes a medication work.

Valdosta · Jul 2, 2022

BigBaldBeardGuy said:
you can jab 1.5 g of roids in your body BUT without proper training that protein synthesis isn’t gonna do fuck all.

We'll see about that !

Achillesking · Jul 2, 2022

RiR0 said:
It’s literally like someone arguing that side effects are what makes a medication work.

I mean seriously literally blows my fuckin balls right off when I read this. It's like when you break down 2+2 to your kid and tell them it's 4 100 times then you ask them and they answer 9

Achillesking · Jul 2, 2022

Valdosta said:
We'll see about that !

Lol well played

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