High testosterone cycles?

Dtren800 · May 30, 2023

Anyone ever run upwards to 2-3 grams of testosterone a week? What were your experiences running very high testosterone? I haven’t ran more than 1300mgs since I was 20 years old, and since I’m ready to put on more mass and have a sensitive E2 of 9(1000mgs primo) on a gram of test I’m going to up it to 2000-2500mgs for the first time in my life and give it a shot. Just curious if any of you guys ever ran it this high and what were your experiences.

Usually I wouldn’t be able to run test this high at all because I’m a high aromatizer, but since I’m on a lot of primo I know have the ability to do this without an AI( and it seems like I need to if I want to continue running primo higher.) Most people would see this as an issue, but I see it as a blessing in disguise from a bodybuilding perspective.

Jonjon · May 31, 2023

Must be nice to be able to run primo that high. I can’t run it at all, in one month it accelerated my hair loss noticeably. I’m pretty much bald but not ready for the razor yet.

I took my test up to 1500 once. Not much difference between 1500 and 500 for me honestly

If only Nasser were still around to tell us about grams of test per week.

Gadawg · May 31, 2023

Dallas MCarver died with a test level of like 56,000 ng/dl in his blood. Doesnt sound worth the risk or the sides but youre the captain of your ship.

Yano · May 31, 2023

Gadawg said:
Dallas MCarver died with a test level of like 56,000 ng/dl in his blood. Doesnt sound worth the risk or the sides but youre the captain of your ship.

His heart weighed 833 gm, three times the size of a normal heart, which is 300gms. Fuck Rich Piana was 20 years older and his heart only weighed 670 gms.

valdemort · May 31, 2023

Dtren800 said:
Anyone ever run upwards to 2-3 grams of testosterone a week? What were your experiences running very high testosterone? I haven’t ran more than 1300mgs since I was 20 years old, and since I’m ready to put on more mass and have a sensitive E2 of 9(1000mgs primo) on a gram of test I’m going to up it to 2000-2500mgs for the first time in my life and give it a shot. Just curious if any of you guys ever ran it this high and what were your experiences.

Usually I wouldn’t be able to run test this high at all because I’m a high aromatizer, but since I’m on a lot of primo I know have the ability to do this without an AI( and it seems like I need to if I want to continue running primo higher.) Most people would see this as an issue, but I see it as a blessing in disguise from a bodybuilding perspective.

@RiR0 successfully ran 3g at one point i think but he doesnt come around much anymore

Yano · May 31, 2023

This is an OLD ass thread I found on MD looking for info on high test , a couple of these guys sound like they knew what they were talking about. The first few posts might be worth a read.

Did i mention its fucking OLD lol

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TomJ · May 31, 2023

Gadawg said:
Dallas MCarver died with a test level of like 56,000 ng/dl in his blood. Doesnt sound worth the risk or the sides but youre the captain of your ship.

I don't think it's exactly fair to place blame solely on testosterone for his unfortunate death.

There were definitely a lot of other variables at play, I'd bet the test alone played a relatively insignificant role compared to other things

Dtren800 · May 31, 2023

Jonjon said:
Must be nice to be able to run primo that high. I can’t run it at all, in one month it accelerated my hair loss noticeably. I’m pretty much bald but not ready for the razor yet.

I took my test up to 1500 once. Not much difference between 1500 and 500 for me honestly

If only Nasser were still around to tell us about grams of test per week.

It probably was because of low e2… it lowers estrogen extremely fast and very well. Super strong AI. I had the same hair loss/shedding when I ran low test high primo… since I’ve tan more test I don’t have that issue since my e2 levels are a bit better as well as running tren which has progestin like properties that are hair protective for me

Dtren800 · May 31, 2023

Gadawg said:
Dallas MCarver died with a test level of like 56,000 ng/dl in his blood. Doesnt sound worth the risk or the sides but youre the captain of your ship.

He supposedly was running around 10 grams of test a week. 1050mgs prop only put me at about 3000-4000 on my total testosterone. So not very high at all on a gram of test

Dtren800 · May 31, 2023

Yano said:
This is an OLD ass thread I found on MD looking for info on high test , a couple of these guys sound like they knew what they were talking about. The first few posts might be worth a read.

Did i mention its fucking OLD lol

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It’s funny people will talk about running high dosage tren but don’t hear about even speaking of running testosterone in the 2-3 gram range which people certainly do.. mainly prop bodybuilders

Yano · May 31, 2023

Dtren800 said:
It’s funny people will talk about running high dosage tren but don’t hear about even speaking of running testosterone in the 2-3 gram range which people certainly do.. mainly prop bodybuilders

I can't go over 750 , shit puts me to sleep like it's dope.

Dtren800 · May 31, 2023

Yano said:
I can't go over 750 , shit puts me to sleep like it's I dog

Funny thing I don’t even really feel like testosterone is working it’s best until about 750-1000mgs… as it begins to shine for me mentally and physically at that dosage. More is better for me as long as e2 is under control

Yano · May 31, 2023

Dtren800 said:
Funny thing I don’t even really feel like testosterone is working it’s best until about 750-1000mgs… as it begins to shine for me mentally and physically at that dosage. More is better for me as long as e2 is under control

For me that's 500 and ill just stay here , add to that with what ever for a blast , then drop back to just the test again for the cruise. 750 isnt bad but higher than that and I just wanna curl up like the cat n sleep all day.

TomJ · May 31, 2023

Dtren800 said:
It’s funny people will talk about running high dosage tren but don’t hear about even speaking of running testosterone in the 2-3 gram range which people certainly do.. mainly prop bodybuilders

I think high test has fallen out of relative favor over the last 10-20 years or so as people have learned more about the various hormones and compounds.

I tend to see a lot more people finding their tolerable, comfortable dose of test (650-700) for me, and then layering other compounds in top.

On top of that, I think the culture is more geared towards harm reduction nowadays and a lot of people adopt more conservative approaches.

Most competitors I know, both high level npc, and a few ifbb, tend to stay within the 1.5-2g range for contest prep and tend to stay within 1-1.5g for offseason. With a lot doing a lot less.
Buddy of mine is trying for his pro card at jr nationals in a few weeks and his prep protocol is just under 1.5g and his off seasons are 500-1g.

Blusoul24 · May 31, 2023

Dtren800 said:
He supposedly was running around 10 grams of test a week. 1050mgs prop only put me at about 3000-4000 on my total testosterone. So not very high at all on a gram of test

Shit, I was just recently running around 800 per week, and that put my test at 6700 with my free test over 2000.

I have the blood test to back that up.

The funny thing is I was accidentally running it that high, because I started my cycle before I got my test results back from Jano, and something was overdosed significantly.

I felt tired, and rundown, but my lifts were all really good.

Honestly, 500 is great for me, 600 is the highest I ever need to go, but truthfully I would rather run 3 to 400 with 6 to 700mg Mast or Primo.

I wouldn't get caught up in thinking that Primo is going to work as an AI for you. If you're running over to grams of test, I think you're crazy to not run an AI with it.

Still, I know everybody's body responds to these things differently.

Primo and Mast do not work as AIs, i've seen lots of people making claims, but never any reliable bloodwork to back it up. I know neither of them have an AI effect for me.

Dtren800 · May 31, 2023

Blusoul24 said:
Shit, I was just recently running around 800 per week, and that put my test at 6700 with my free test over 2000.

I have the blood test to back that up.

The funny thing is I was accidentally running it that high, because I started my cycle before I got my test results back from Jano, and something was overdosed significantly.

I felt tired, and rundown, but my lifts were all really good.

Honestly, 500 is great for me, 600 is the highest I ever need to go, but truthfully I would rather run 3 to 400 with 6 to 700mg Mast or Primo.

I wouldn't get caught up in thinking that Primo is going to work as an AI for you. If you're running over to grams of test, I think you're crazy to not run an AI with it.

Still, I know everybody's body responds to these things differently.

Primo and Mast do not work as AIs, i've seen lots of people making claims, but never any reliable bloodwork to back it up. I know neither of them have an AI effect for me.

False, primo does work as an AI for me. I’ve had bloods multiple times.. even running upwards to 3000ius of HCG a week and now running a gram of test for weeks with a single digit E2. I’m a high aromatizer, without primo my e2 would be in the triple digits.

Primo works as a strong AI for most people, especially with me. It maybe doesn’t work that way for you, but it does for me. Over 3000 test without having to take an AI in 3 months with an e2 of 9? Yeah that’s primo

Blusoul24 · May 31, 2023

Dtren800 said:
Primo works as a strong AI for most people,

Maybe it does for you, but the above statement is complete and utter nonsense.

Primo in rare cases can act as a mild AI for some people, it just doesn't increase your estrogen.

Maybe you are one of the rare exceptions.

Unless you're a pro bodybuilder, I don't think there's any reason to run over a gram of test per week, let alone 2 to 3 g.

But hey, you do you. It's your life, your health and your heart.

Dtren800 · May 31, 2023

Blusoul24 said:
Maybe it does for you, but the above statement is complete and utter nonsense.

Primo in rare cases connect as a mild AI for some people, it just doesn't increase your estrogen.

Maybe you are one of the rare exceptions.

Unless you're a pro bodybuilder, I don't think there's any reason to run over a gram of test per week, let alone 2 to 3 g.

But hey, you do you. It's your life, your health and your heart.

No that’s false, it does act as a strong AI for many of people. I get 10/10 people on 300 test and 1200 primo I guarantee you 9/10(at the very least) will have bottomed out e2 with zero AI usage. No one needs run anyone steroids at all, but we do because we want to and it works. I don’t need to run 2 grams of test, but If I wanna run a gram of primo and have healthy estrogen levels, it is necessary

BigBaldBeardGuy · May 31, 2023

Dtren800 said:
No that’s false, it does act as a strong AI for many of people. I get 10/10 people on 300 test and 1200 primo I guarantee you 9/10(at the very least) will have bottomed out e2 with zero AI usage. No one needs run anyone steroids at all, but we do because we want to and it works. I don’t need to run 2 grams of test, but If I wanna run a gram of primo and have healthy estrogen levels, it is necessary

Primo works better as an AI than medicines that were specifically designed to be strong AIs?

The BroScience is strong. Explain the mechanism for how it works as a STRONG AI. Does it bind with aromatase? Does it block the receptor. Or does it work by “trust me bro, I got bloodwork to support it for EVERYONE”.

TomJ · May 31, 2023

It's great you have that effect from primo and can avoid an AI. But from your other thread didn't you show bloodwork with the single digit when you were running low test high primo? Did you get fresh bloodwork now that you upped the test?

I have 3 guys now on 1:1 test/primo and only one has a mild AI effect from it. (500 primo is acting like roughly 12.5mg aromasin twice a week for him)

Discussions with my coach, who has dozens of guys and makes each and every one get pre, during (whenever they try a new compound) and post bloodwork and says at best 1/3-1/2 show some mild AI effect.

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