2024 U.S. Presidential Election

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I always think to my self trump isn’t perfect but what kind of mind can actually want a man like biden as the president . I’ll never understand that but all I can think of is this type of person hates America.
my same thoughts
 
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For me it's combination of that dumbass toothless smile, in addition to the cheese sitting on top of raw meat. It's like he's not human and has never actually cooked a burger in his entire life... and is just imitating what he thinks humans do when they grill 😂
That’s exactly who they are not like us
 

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As much fun as it was, and okay, still is, bashing Joe Biden, he has been replaced by what may be the most liberal pair since FDR, and they have a chance of winning.

These two want to take my money, my firearms, my favorite steaks, my gas powered car, my health insurance and my 1st Amendment rights to free speech and to worship as I see fit. They want our wives, sisters and daughters to be forced to share bathrooms and locker rooms with men, the same men who will compete against them in all sports. If your child thinks he or she is "trans" they support keeping that a secret from you, and in some cases even mutilating your child against your wishes. They support making pornographic propaganda available in every elementary school library.

They want criminals back out in society, to be given as many chances as they need. They want an open boarder that allows the free flow of not just illegal aliens, but terrorists and drugs. They want fewer police officers. They want to force every worker to join a union.

They want an end to fossil fuel production, especially fracking, which has driven an energy revolution in the US.

They want an end to US support of Israel and to support Iran, which finds and trains terrorists who attack US interests.

They want all this and at the same time, claim that they are working for the middle class!

I wish I was exaggerating.
 

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As much fun as it was, and okay, still is, bashing Joe Biden, he has been replaced by what may be the most liberal pair since FDR, and they have a chance of winning.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet without hesitation that they are going to win. And much more easily than most think.
 

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If I were a betting man, I'd bet without hesitation that they are going to win. And much more easily than most think.

Why do you feel that way?

Do you think Kamala sways certain swing states in her direction that Biden wouldn't have?
 

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Why do you feel that way?
Trump bring Trump has turned off many, many voters. There's a huge group of people who will vote for 'not Trump', they'll vote for literally anyone else. And with Biden, who obviously had questionable mental function, the group that was concerned about that, they no longer have that worry.

Plus, she'll take the majority of minority and women voters, because of simple team mentality. It exists, we all know that it does.

And Vance is a red flag, only holding public office for two years, but he'd be one successful assassination attempt from being the Commander In Chief. That's a big concern for many.

It's not so much that people love Harris, it's that millions and millions absolutely hate Trump. He's his own downfall.

Do you think Kamala sways certain swing states in her direction that Biden wouldn't have?

Not Kamala, but potentially Walz will. California is solidly blue, so Kamala has no effect. But with Walz the VP candidate vs Kamala as the VP candidate, it's feasible that that could swing some of the midwestern swing States to the Democrats side.
 

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Trump bring Trump has turned off many, many voters. There's a huge group of people who will vote for 'not Trump', they'll vote for literally anyone else. And with Biden, who obviously had questionable mental function, the group that was concerned about that, they no longer have that worry.

Plus, she'll take the majority of minority and women voters, because of simple team mentality. It exists, we all know that it does.

I agree with all of this. Trump's forum with the black journalists last week turned off a lot of people who were thinking about giving him a chance. He seems to put his foot in his mouth no matter what.

And Vance is a red flag, only holding public office for two years, but he'd be one successful assassination attempt from being the Commander In Chief. That's a big concern for many.

To be fair, Obama did not have much more experience when he ran in 2008.

Not Kamala, but potentially Walz will. California is solidly blue, so Kamala has no effect. But with Walz the VP candidate vs Kamala as the VP candidate, it's feasible that that could swing some of the midwestern swing States to the Democrats side.

I did not think about it from this perspective. I see that the Democrats are really playing up this "midwestern dad" image for Walz, perhaps softening the far left platform he has for many voters.

A lot of people will give a chance to a white guy from middle America saying these things that they wouldn't give to someone else.
 

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I agree with all of this. Trump's forum with the black journalists last week turned off a lot of people who were thinking about giving him a chance. He seems to put his foot in his mouth no matter what.
Yeah, that was an absolute disaster. Just about the worst thing possible, it's going to hurt him greatly.
To be fair, Obama did not have much more experience when he ran in 2008.
But he was the first serious black candidate(Sharpton is a joke), so it galvanized the minority vote. Vance brings nothing to the table, other than being from Ohio.

I did not think about it from this perspective. I see that the Democrats are really playing up this "midwestern dad" image for Walz, perhaps softening the far left platform he has for many voters.

To offset, and in reality offer a better choice than Vance, being from Ohio.

A lot of people will give a chance to a white guy from middle America saying these things that they wouldn't give to someone else.
I'd be willing to bet that most undecided swing voters view Vance as a clown.
 

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Yeah, that was an absolute disaster. Just about the worst thing possible, it's going to hurt him greatly.

I would imagine it costs him greatly in Georgia and other swing states with large black populations.

But he was the first serious black candidate(Sharpton is a joke), so it galvanized the minority vote. Vance brings nothing to the table, other than being from Ohio.

That's true. I just feel like if we are going to hold lack of experience against somebody it should be done consistently.

I'd be willing to bet that most undecided swing voters view Vance as a clown.

You're probably right. I live in a liberal area in one of the most "blue" states in the country, so swing voters are a funny concept to me. I mostly meet your standard left wing crowd, and then reactionary right wingers who think the end times are coming. People in the middle seem invisible here.

Personally, I find Vance the most likeable of the 4 candidates involved. But that's not saying much.
 

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I would imagine it costs him greatly in Georgia and other swing states with large black populations.
Especially since his opposition is a black candidate.
That's true. I just feel like if we are going to hold lack of experience against somebody it should be done consistently.
Nothing is in isolation. In all honesty, Vance the candidate pales in comparison to Obama the candidate.
You're probably right. I live in a liberal area in one of the most "blue" states in the country, so swing voters are a funny concept to me. I mostly meet your standard left wing crowd, and then reactionary right wingers who think the end times are coming. People in the middle seem invisible here.

Personally, I find Vance the most likeable of the 4 candidates involved. But that's not saying much.
Yeah, our choices suck across the board.
 

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Trump bring Trump has turned off many, many voters. There's a huge group of people who will vote for 'not Trump', they'll vote for literally anyone else. And with Biden, who obviously had questionable mental function, the group that was concerned about that, they no longer have that worry.

Plus, she'll take the majority of minority and women voters, because of simple team mentality. It exists, we all know that it does.

And Vance is a red flag, only holding public office for two years, but he'd be one successful assassination attempt from being the Commander In Chief. That's a big concern for many.

It's not so much that people love Harris, it's that millions and millions absolutely hate Trump. He's his own downfall.

I agree with this; Trump remains his own worst enemy. Why go to Georgia and bad mouth a popular Republican governor? I know they hate each other but still, nothing to gain by doing that.

As you guys said, not a good look with the black journalists. I'm sure he enjoyed antagonizing them and who knows, maybe he is right that she is not black. But his best ammo is not her blackness or lack thereof, it's the mess she and Joe have created.

Now, for those who feel that her biggest benefit is being a black woman and that's why they are voting for her, you're not gonna convince those people that she is not black. Nothing gained going there.

Not Kamala, but potentially Walz will. California is solidly blue, so Kamala has no effect. But with Walz the VP candidate vs Kamala as the VP candidate, it's feasible that that could swing some of the midwestern swing States to the Democrats side.
Not so sure on this. The data indicates that VP candidates make little to no difference. Well, they can hurt but rarely help. I think Walz hurts her because he is an unabashed liberal, and although they will try to hide that, they can't. Also, abandoning your people as they are being deployed to a war zone is a pretty bad look. I think (and hope) we'll see another Swift Boat campaign against this guy.

Vance, through his inexperience, has and will continue to say dumb things they will throw against him. So now both he and Trump are saying dumb things.

Kamala is doing quite well refusing to give an interview; she at least knows she always says dumb things.

Kamala is on her "honeymoon" but that will continue until well after the election. The media will make sure it does. So she has every advantage. Add to that, there is a federal judge doing all she can to rush Trump into a trial as quickly as possible and a sentencing coming up in September, either of which could take Trump off teh campaign trail...

Between Kamala grabbing the nomination without a single vote, the mainstream press not asking questions, the lawfare keepiong Trump from campaigning... So much for "democracy."
 
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As much fun as it was, and okay, still is, bashing Joe Biden, he has been replaced by what may be the most liberal pair since FDR, and they have a chance of winning.

These two want to take my money, my firearms, my favorite steaks, my gas powered car, my health insurance and my 1st Amendment rights to free speech and to worship as I see fit. They want our wives, sisters and daughters to be forced to share bathrooms and locker rooms with men, the same men who will compete against them in all sports. If your child thinks he or she is "trans" they support keeping that a secret from you, and in some cases even mutilating your child against your wishes. They support making pornographic propaganda available in every elementary school library.

They want criminals back out in society, to be given as many chances as they need. They want an open boarder that allows the free flow of not just illegal aliens, but terrorists and drugs. They want fewer police officers. They want to force every worker to join a union.

They want an end to fossil fuel production, especially fracking, which has driven an energy revolution in the US.

They want an end to US support of Israel and to support Iran, which finds and trains terrorists who attack US interests.

They want all this and at the same time, claim that they are working for the middle class!

I wish I was exaggerating.
I wish I could be this articulate
 

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Is this more or less annoying than Hillary Clinton claiming to carry around hot sauce in her purse?


When pressed by Harris, Walz explained that the Average Joe delicacy consisted of “pretty much ground beef and cheese” — and took the awkward gag one step further by insisting that he did not season the dish.

“Uh, no. Here’s the deal. No, they said to be careful and let her know this, that black pepper is the top of the spice level in Minnesota, you know?” he told the room.
 

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Yeah I didn't think it was true, the fact checking at the bottom make that pretty clear. But I was amused.
 

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RFK Jr. has suspended his campaign and is throwing his support behind Trump:


I can only see this getting a good thing for Trump's chances. How about you guys?
 

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RFK Jr. has suspended his campaign and is throwing his support behind Trump:


I can only see this getting a good thing for Trump's chances. How about you guys?

No effect, whatsoever.
 
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