4B Movement: American women swear off dating, sex, marriage and children

Interest in the 4B Movement has spiked in the United States over the past week, which sees women swearing off all traditional contact with men:

No sex. No dating. No marriage. No children. Interest grows in 4B movement to swear off men

In the days after Donald Trump was elected president, a South Korean feminist movement is capturing young women’s interest on social media.

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It's called "4B" because "B" is a shorthand for the word "no" in Korean — and a series of "nos" is what the movement calls for.

No sex.

No dating.

No marrying men.

No children.

Young women on Instagram and TikTok are the primary demographic behind the recent American surge in interest. The idea behind the movement is individual resistance against what it defines as a conservative political environment and the corrosion of reproductive rights.

Michaela Thomas, a 21-year-old artist in Georgia, told The Washington Post that she first heard about the 4B movement about a year ago.

"Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion," Thomas told The Post. "They can't have both. Young women don't want to be intimate with men who don't fight for women's rights; it's showing they don't respect us."

The concept of a "sex strike" is not new. The ancient Greek play "Lysistrata" highlights women swearing off sex to protest the Peloponnesian War. In South Korea, the 4B movement took root at a time when the country was undergoing its own reckoning with gender violence and equality issues. (It is a country with one of the widest wage gaps in the world.)

In the United States, there is a growing ideological divide between young men and women: Women aged 18 to 30 are 30 percent more liberal than men of the same age, according to The Financial Times. Some experts point to the 2018 #MeToo movement as the key trigger in the rise in feminist values among women and the subsequent backlash among young men.

 

[Send0]

Interest in the 4B Movement has spiked in the United States over the past week, which sees women swearing off all traditional contact with men:

No sex. No dating. No marriage. No children. Interest grows in 4B movement to swear off men

In the days after Donald Trump was elected president, a South Korean feminist movement is capturing young women’s interest on social media.

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To be honest, with recent events I don't really blame them.

 

[1bigun11]

Ugly girl: I will not have sex with you because of 4B

Me: You are a dyke. You would never have sex with me anyway. Plus you are ugly and I would never have sex with you.

Ugly girl: I will not have children for you either.

Me: See above answer, you crazy dyke.....

 

[Diesel59]

Ugly girl: I will not have sex with you because of 4B

Me: You are a dyke. You would never have sex with me anyway. Plus you are ugly and I would never have sex with you.

Ugly girl: I will not have children for you either.

Me: See above answer, you crazy dyke.....

It could be an easy way to weed out women that would be difficult to gel with anyway.

 

[Bro Bundy]

Ugly fat blue haired leftist that no man actually wants to have sex with ..

 

[chicago311]

these girls and women now days are to fucked in the head for me to tolerate.

 

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

These are the same bitches that complain about toxic masculinity, then go on to fuck toxically masculine dudes - exclusively.

Maybe if they'd known their fathers, they wouldn't feel the need to find a new Daddy every other night.

 

[Bro Bundy]

I don’t get the whole abortion thing .. If I had a daughter I would die if she had an abortion. How about we teach our daughter to not be whores

 

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

How about we teach our daughter to not be whores

Stop being so oppressive Bundy. You're sounding like a misogynist.

 

[Send0]

I don’t get the whole abortion thing .. If I had a daughter I would die if she had an abortion. How about we teach our daughter to not be whores

There are other scenarios, such as when a fetus is dead in the womb and it needs to be removed or else it will cause sepsis and kill the woman.

I only bring it up because in Texas we've recently had 3 women die because they couldn't get medically necessary abortions due to the way the state laws are written here.

I don't think women should be forced to have their rapists babies if they don't want either.

Outside of those 2 things, I don't understand abortion either. I mean I have ideas why someone might do it, but I don't think I could do it myself.

 

[Diesel59]

I don’t get the whole abortion thing .. If I had a daughter I would die if she had an abortion. How about we teach our daughter to not be whores

Stop being so oppressive Bundy. You're sounding like a misogynist.

Opinions on abortion aside, I do find it odd when people say "I'm here for my daughter/granddaughter."

Even if someone is pro-choice, why would they want to fight for the idea of their daughter getting an abortion?

 

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

Even if someone is pro-choice, why would they want to fight for the idea of their daughter getting an abortion?

Simps be everywhere. It's an epidemic.

 

[Bro Bundy]

There are other scenarios, such as when a fetus is dead in the womb and it needs to be removed or else it will cause sepsis and kill the woman.

I only bring it up because in Texas we've recently had 3 women die because they couldn't get medically necessary abortions due to the way the state laws are written here.

I don't think women should be forced to have their rapists babies if they don't want either.

Outside of those 2 things, I don't understand abortion either. I mean I have ideas why someone might do it, but I don't think I could do it myself.

Outside of rape or health I see no reason to do it u can always put it for adoption

 

[6FeetFromTheEdge]

When I'm with a bitch, I honor her. So shit like this doesn't apply to me!

 

[TattedTexan96]

Colorado’s abortion law is insane, but anyways if someone does it because of poor planning it shouldn’t be a thing. My opinion doesn’t matter I have a weenie!

 

[Parade]

None of the whores participating in this stupidity are the type we want to bone anyway. So this is just like a free decluttering

 

[Parade]

Colorado’s abortion law is insane, but anyways if someone does it because of poor planning it shouldn’t be a thing. My opinion doesn’t matter I have a weenie!

You look like Stiffler if Stiffler used HGH and tren in his teens and 20s

 

[Diesel59]

It can also be used against husbands, not just in the casual dating scene.

 

[Thebirdsf]

Opinions on abortion aside, I do find it odd when people say "I'm here for my daughter/granddaughter."

Even if someone is pro-choice, why would they want to fight for the idea of their daughter getting an abortion?

I’m pro choice and would like to add my opinion. I don’t think anyone wants for their daughter to have an abortion. It’s about having the option to not go through pregnancy. Pregnancy is considered a short term disability. It causes a lot of health issues and social struggles that only affect the female when an unexpected pregnancy happens. For example, it’s really hard for women to get hired when they’re pregnant. Lots of women lose their jobs when they have to go on maternity leave. Even if she decides to give the baby for adoption (which is emotionally devastating after chemical bonding for 40 weeks) she will still have a long physical recovery period. A lot of times women who have unintended pregnancies don’t have health insurance and having a baby costs about $25,000. If there are complications (very common) or c section (extremely common) that cost goes up exponentially, again even if the baby is given up for adoption. And that cost is the responsibility of the female only. Unintended pregnancy happens all the time. I was on birth control and my husband was using condoms when we got pregnant with our first child. We were really young and REALLY didn’t want to get pregnant but we did. We decided to have our baby and although we feel it was the right decision, if I’m honest we would have been much better off financially if we didn’t. I’m happy with that trade off but not everyone would be. My pregnancy derailed my career but my husband wasn’t affected. I’m so incredibly grateful that we were able to get help from our parents to hold us down during that time and now 12 years later we’re happy and living a good life. But if I were less privileged I can’t say that would be the case.

I am sure people will be negative in the replies or cuss me out or whatever but I wouldn’t want my daughter to have to go through all that for a pregnancy she didn’t want or wasn’t ready for. And to me it wouldn’t matter if she was dating long term, married, or had a one night stand with some guy she met at the gym.

 

[Diesel59]

I’m pro choice and would like to add my opinion. I don’t think anyone wants for their daughter to have an abortion. It’s about having the option to not go through pregnancy. Pregnancy is considered a short term disability. It causes a lot of health issues and social struggles that only affect the female when an unexpected pregnancy happens. For example, it’s really hard for women to get hired when they’re pregnant. Lots of women lose their jobs when they have to go on maternity leave. Even if she decides to give the baby for adoption (which is emotionally devastating after chemical bonding for 40 weeks) she will still have a long physical recovery period. A lot of times women who have unintended pregnancies don’t have health insurance and having a baby costs about $25,000. If there are complications (very common) or c section (extremely common) that cost goes up exponentially, again even if the baby is given up for adoption. And that cost is the responsibility of the female only. Unintended pregnancy happens all the time. I was on birth control and my husband was using condoms when we got pregnant with our first child. We were really young and REALLY didn’t want to get pregnant but we did. We decided to have our baby and although we feel it was the right decision, if I’m honest we would have been much better off financially if we didn’t. I’m happy with that trade off but not everyone would be. My pregnancy derailed my career but my husband wasn’t affected. I’m so incredibly grateful that we were able to get help from our parents to hold us down during that time and now 12 years later we’re happy and living a good life. But if I were less privileged I can’t say that would be the case.

I appreciate your perspective on this.

I understand pregnancies can happen even when the proper precautions against it are taken. I think a lot of people underestimate the fail rate of things like condoms.

Do you think the mental burden of adoption is worse than the mental burden of terminating the pregnancy?

I am sure people will be negative in the replies or cuss me out or whatever but I wouldn’t want my daughter to have to go through all that for a pregnancy she didn’t want or wasn’t ready for. And to me it wouldn’t matter if she was dating long term, married, or had a one night stand with some guy she met at the gym.

I don't think anyone needs to be cussing out anyone over this, but I have to ask you about the last sentence here.

Why would it not matter if she was having one night stands with guys from the gym? Why is that the situation you would envision for her, as opposed to say waiting until she was in a serious relationship or marriage?

I suppose my reaction to this is the same as the dads standing there with their 5 year old daughters, fighting for their right to have an abortion in the future. Why is this type of stuff what people envision for their daughters?