4B Movement: American women swear off dating, sex, marriage and children

Interest in the 4B Movement has spiked in the United States over the past week, which sees women swearing off all traditional contact with men:


It's called "4B" because "B" is a shorthand for the word "no" in Korean — and a series of "nos" is what the movement calls for.

No sex.

No dating.

No marrying men.

No children.

Young women on Instagram and TikTok are the primary demographic behind the recent American surge in interest. The idea behind the movement is individual resistance against what it defines as a conservative political environment and the corrosion of reproductive rights.

Michaela Thomas, a 21-year-old artist in Georgia, told The Washington Post that she first heard about the 4B movement about a year ago.

"Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion," Thomas told The Post. "They can't have both. Young women don't want to be intimate with men who don't fight for women's rights; it's showing they don't respect us."

The concept of a "sex strike" is not new. The ancient Greek play "Lysistrata" highlights women swearing off sex to protest the Peloponnesian War. In South Korea, the 4B movement took root at a time when the country was undergoing its own reckoning with gender violence and equality issues. (It is a country with one of the widest wage gaps in the world.)

In the United States, there is a growing ideological divide between young men and women: Women aged 18 to 30 are 30 percent more liberal than men of the same age, according to The Financial Times. Some experts point to the 2018 #MeToo movement as the key trigger in the rise in feminist values among women and the subsequent backlash among young men.
 

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I always said, run the entire course. How's that going to work out in the end? They got one Ace in their hand and they don't want to play it?

I hope they have complete disclosure right up front about it.

I once took a girl out and on the second date I went for a move and got shot down. She said, I just want to be friends to which I replied, if I wanted a friend I'd get a dog.
 

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There was not a single question in there that you asked me 😂. What I wrote below is just a stream of thoughts I had as I was reading your post. I say "you" and "your" a lot, but I'm using those words in the general sense and not specifically about you. Hope you understand and take it that way as you read

I think it's wrong to put your personal morals onto other people. Even though I said I don't think I could do it myself, doesn't mean I think the option should be limited for other people.

For example, I don't believe that as soon as my jizz fertilizes an egg that it's immediately a child or a life. I mean technically a fetus below a certain number of weeks old is on par with a tumor; they're both technically alive, grow, and go through cellular division.

I'm also not Christian; you didn't bring this up but a lot of people want to impose pro life onto people because of their own individual religious beliefs and that just seems very wrong.

Mostly though, I don't understand when people want to impose pro life on everyone. Pro choice does not mean pro abortion and it does not prevent pro life people from making their choice.. but enforcing pro life certainly forces people to abide by the pro lifers belief. We have women dying on Texas and its pretty fucked up.
They were more rhetorical questions lol I agree with you about imposing morals and values by force but would that not nullify pretty much every criminal law we have? If I had to lay down rules they would go something like this.
Mother and father must both agree, Father must be verified by DNA unless immediate medical danger to the mother, rape, or incest. Third trimester is a no-go. My body my choice is a bullshit argument until we do not punish suicide, drug users, people that want to just amputate arms and legs for the fuck of it, Are not required to vaccinate. If I kill a pregnant mother I can charge with two murders or if I do something that causes the fetus to die I get charged with murder, that double standard needs to get fixed one way or the other.
 

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They were more rhetorical questions lol I agree with you about imposing morals and values by force but would that not nullify pretty much every criminal law we have? If I had to lay down rules they would go something like this.
Mother and father must both agree, Father must be verified by DNA unless immediate medical danger to the mother, rape, or incest. Third trimester is a no-go. My body my choice is a bullshit argument until we do not punish suicide, drug users, people that want to just amputate arms and legs for the fuck of it, Are not required to vaccinate. If I kill a pregnant mother I can charge with two murders or if I do something that causes the fetus to die I get charged with murder, that double standard needs to get fixed one way or the other.
My vision is shit (weird version of cataracts I've developed), and I have a migraine from squinting all day. So Ive only read the first part, and skimmed the rest.

I'll comment on the first part about "every criminal law". The waters are definitely muddy when taking a conversation like this into context. I think a lot of it could be cleared up if all sides could come to an agreement on what is a baby vs just a clump of cells (you and I know we won't see people agree on this in our lifetime 😂).

For example, I'm overall pro choice... But there gets to be a point where I shift to pro life. Anything below 8 weeks, and it's easy for me to say it's just a clump of cells. After that things start to get murky for me. So basically I don't consider it a human life yet at 8 weeks and under.

Don't confuse that to mean that I would make an choice to abort for myself... I just mean that I wouldn't judge others if they decided that was the best decision for themselves.

Taking this back to criminal law; well that's for humans who broke the law. If all parties would agree on when fetus gets all the same rights as you or I, then I think a lot of the dilemma you rightly highlighted becomes much easier to navigate.

But let's be real, no one will ever agree on this 😂.

Thanks for not taking my post out of context. This is a sensitive subject, and I appreciate you giving my reply some serious thought.

I'll read the rest of your post in better detail when this migraine dies down.
 
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I wouldn’t want my daughter to have to go through all that for a pregnancy she didn’t want or wasn’t ready for
So you'd rather kill your grandchild than just have your daughter use birth control before engaging in an activity ENTIRELY designed to make babies..?

YOU couldn't just take your grandchild and raise it until your daughter was ready?

Or put your grandchild up for adoption?

You'd rather kill it?

Really?
 

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Sadly innocent people have been put to death with the death penalty.

That's why I say if it's done against people who deserve it.

The application of the death penalty in the United States is plagued by racism and other issues. But I don't feel that is the fault of capital punishment. Rather it is the problem of a justice system that needs to be fixed.

Don't know where you stand on the topic but if wars are human nature wouldn't discarding unwanted offspring also be human nature?

I suppose you're right, given the long history of infanticide around the world.

Non-combatants make up for the massive amount of casualties in war. I've always pondered why they don't pick a side and fight.

To be fair, this was not true until recently in human history.
 

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I don’t get the whole abortion thing .. If I had a daughter I would die if she had an abortion. How about we teach our daughter to not be whores
like i tell the wife. most of these abortions are from girls that cant keep their legs closed.
 

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I wouldn't wanna sleep with any woman who would do this anyway. It's essentially a form of emotional blackmail and manipulation. Either you agree with what I want or you don't get any.

It's the most immature sort of behavior.

Have fun being single and childless.
 
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I would give time to these girls. Time will resolve them, no action needed.
1. You have choice, most of the countries leaves it up to their choice (when it comes to abortion) + tbh, we're still already overpopulated in this world.
2. Feminists - I am ok with wage emancipation, but not the Scandinavian radical, fundamentalist feminism which is more narcisstic way of pointing attention to individual girls instead of supporting equality - honestly, feminist girls don't have kids or partners much, immigrants from Eastern Europe, Middle East and Africa have and they don't bring these ideas - give it two generations and problem solved.
3. Less people - lower pressure on inflation
 
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There's only 2 things in the air that can get a woman pregnant; her feet.

It's a joke! Lighten up.
It's true sometimes. I'm traditional so her feet are almost always in the air. Thats not to say I don't mix it up at times :)
 

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Have you seen the roster for this sex strike? Most of these bitches look like they’ve been protesting portion control for decades. Nobody was trying to tap that anyway. The only strike they need is a strike against second helpings.
Im perfectly happy for these 4B "women" to not have offspring. We'll have a better gene pool as a result.
 

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Interest in the 4B Movement has spiked in the United States over the past week, which sees women swearing off all traditional contact with men:

I already know where this is going, but for all these people.claomimg.autonomy over there body over false info where where they when they were being forced to be vaxxed with an experimentinental ineffective bullshit? They were updating thier profiles saying I'm vaxxed and I stand with Ukraine. Fuck off.
 

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I already know where this is going, but for all these people.claomimg.autonomy over there body over false info where where they when they were being forced to be vaxxed with an experimentinental ineffective bullshit? They were updating thier profiles saying I'm vaxxed and I stand with Ukraine. Fuck off.

I agree, because this applies to several of the women I know personally and follow on Instagram. There have to be millions more like them.

One in particular who was openly mocking people who didn't get vaccinated, is one of the ones freaking out about her "rights being taken away."
 

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One in particular who was openly mocking people who didn't get vaccinated, is one of the ones freaking out about her "rights being taken away."
Mocking people who didn't get vaccinated? Wouldn't that mean that no one was forced to be vaccinated, which is contrary to what Gibs just said in the previous post?

The question is rhetorical... At no point in time has anyone been forced to be vaccinated. It's always been a choice.
 

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Mocking people who didn't get vaccinated? Wouldn't that mean that no one was forced to be vaccinated, which is contrary to what Gibs just said in the previous post?

The question is rhetorical... At no point in time has anyone been forced to be vaccinated. It's always been a choice.

It's always been a choice, but it's been a choice that could unfairly cost someone their job and livelihood.

This woman was openly suggesting that people who didn't get vaccinated should not be able to work, go to school or travel until they change their minds. Which sounded to me like she was in favor of controlling other people's bodies. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, she is freaking out about it.
 

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Mocking people who didn't get vaccinated? Wouldn't that mean that no one was forced to be vaccinated, which is contrary to what Gibs just said in the previous post?

The question is rhetorical... At no point in time has anyone been forced to be vaccinated. It's always been a choice.

Actually, many were forced to decide between getting the vaccine or losing their jobs.

I know that some in the Mass State Police who refused to get the vaccine, they lost their jobs*, subsequently sued, and recently have been reinstated.

If you want to say "forced" means gun to their head, or imprisonment, then I guess they weren't forced. But still...



*suspended indefinitely without pay, it had been over 2 years at the time of the ruling
 
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