Could use some help from you guys about a cycle

SFGiants · Jan 25, 2025

So far, until it don't. Anything works at 1st.

By the way to put on 20lb lean, that done with FOOD!

SFGiants · Jan 25, 2025

Learn to eat and train, you'll put 10 to 20 pounds on just by that alone, then learn to use steroids to help.

You want our help? Ask the members here how to teach you to do that.

You are taking a lazy way that don't work!

gp0385316 · Jan 28, 2025

rakadegikje said:
Hello,

Im from Norway so sorry if the english is not perfect

I just did a 10 week cycle with anavar only, 40mg a day. Had no issues what so ever
I gained around 4kg and happy about that.

For my next cycle i was thinking of doing the same, but maybe try injectable aswell, i was thinking 200mg of primo or 200mg of test and 40mg anavar.
Do this sound stupid?

IF i go for 200mg test a week, do i have a big chancse getting gyno and gain alot of water?

And how would primobolan do comapre to test?

Thanks alot guys

M

It comes down to one thing. The media and medical community has done the greatest job scaring the shit out of anyone that doesn't know any better about anabolic steroids.

I understand, I'm not criticizing you. When I started I was same. First drug I took was the little 5 mg blue Cipla DBOL in 1989. I remember asking the guy I got it from if , basically, if I would live through it lol. Like me now he laughed at me.

You have to understand, what you are seeing with these you tube guys dying or guys like Flex getting his leg cut off, others dropping dead. This has absolutely nothing to do with an average steroid user. Because of the NPC and the IFBB judges( I blame them, 100% for every single steroid related death and horrible illness). They made a decision after Haney retired. They could have made a different decision by making someone like Flex or Shawn Ray or even Chris Cormier Mr Olympia. Instead they allowed Dorian Yates, with that ugly physique and even uglier face to win. That's what started it all. After that for these guys to be competitive they knew they had to try to match Dorians stupid size. Which I hated anyway. Does anyone seriously claim they would rather look at Dorian Yates over Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Chris Cormier, Kevin Levrone ect? I hated looking at that ugly physique. Only guy I hated more i call the refrigerator, Jay Cutler who won most his mr Olympics based on his surfer dude looks. He was completely, blocky, refrigerator looking, no real taper at all to his physique. He was given the title in 2007 in the biggest robbery of all time. Victor Martinez looked incredible. He was not beatable that night and was so much better than Jay who had a damn torn bicep. I had Jay 4th or 5th and he beat Victor.

Getting off track, sorry..

To the op, I've said it several times take a breath and relax. What you are afraid of is not going to be what you do. You are afraid of the consequences of severe steroids abuse to the degree of a dead Boston Loyd or Rich Piana or Mr. 14 CCS of test a day McCarver. Did you see his test levels at autopsy? Based on his levels he really was taking something like 14 CCS a day, with a shit load of TREN and a tremendous amount of GH. How you can evaluate your situation based on these idiots, come on.

Forget the Anavar, I know what you're doing, trying to use anabolics but not really use anabolics because the media and medical community has you scared. Either sit down and do real research in medical journals and try to find deaths linked to steroids in cases the guy was using normal amounts. They do not exist. I've been looking for 20 years.
You have to make a decision stop messing around being half natural. Either be natural or actually use anabolics in a way to get the most out of them. Some Anavar alone come on. Are you a damn girl? Sorry couldn't help that.

I'll give you a suggestion and I'll preface it with I guarantee you, unless you have some pre-existing condition, you haven't mentioned you will get through this alive, healthy and you will actually improve your physique a whole lot because you will actually use thing that really work. Not anavar alone!

Throw the damn Anavar away it give it to your GF.

Test e or c 750 MGS a week first 4 weeks
500 MGS a week week 5 through 10
DECA or EQ or Primo at 400-500 MGS a week
I don't count the just Anavar so this should be great for a first "REAL" CYCLE.
ALSO add a SERM.

You HAVE TO have your diet down and your training and if you do this for 10 weeks you should transform your body with no health issues what so ever.

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Yano · Jan 28, 2025

gp0385316 said:
It comes down to one thing. The media and medical community has done the greatest job scaring the shit out of anyone that doesn't know any better about anabolic steroids.

I understand, I'm not criticizing you. When I started I was same. First drug I took was the little 5 mg blue Cipla DBOL in 1989. I remember asking the guy I got it from if , basically, if I would live through it lol. Like me now he laughed at me.

You have to understand, what you are seeing with these you tube guys dying or guys like Flex getting his leg cut off, others dropping dead. This has absolutely nothing to do with an average steroid user. Because of the NPC and the IFBB judges( I blame them, 100% for every single steroid related death and horrible illness). They made a decision after Haney retired. They could have made a different decision by making someone like Flex or Shawn Ray or even Chris Cormier Mr Olympia. Instead they allowed Dorian Yates, with that ugly physique and even uglier face to win. That's what started it all. After that for these guys to be competitive they knew they had to try to match Dorians stupid size. Which I hated anyway. Does anyone seriously claim they would rather look at Dorian Yates over Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Chris Cormier, Kevin Levrone ect? I hated looking at that ugly physique. Only guy I hated more i call the refrigerator, Jay Cutler who won most his mr Olympics based on his surfer dude looks. He was completely, blocky, refrigerator looking, no real taper at all to his physique. He was given the title in 2007 in the biggest robbery of all time. Victor Martinez looked incredible. He was not beatable that night and was so much better than Jay who had a damn torn bicep. I had Jay 4th or 5th and he beat Victor.

Getting off track, sorry..

To the op, I've said it several times take a breath and relax. What you are afraid of is not going to be what you do. You are afraid of the consequences of severe steroids abuse to the degree of a dead Boston Loyd or Rich Piana or Mr. 14 CCS of test a day McCarver. Did you see his test levels at autopsy? Based on his levels he really was taking something like 14 CCS a day, with a shit load of TREN and a tremendous amount of GH. How you can evaluate your situation based on these idiots, come on.

Forget the Anavar, I know what you're doing, trying to use anabolics but not really use anabolics because the media and medical community has you scared. Either sit down and do real research in medical journals and try to find deaths linked to steroids in cases the guy was using normal amounts. They do not exist. I've been looking for 20 years.
You have to make a decision stop messing around being half natural. Either be natural or actually use anabolics in a way to get the most out of them. Some Anavar alone come on. Are you a damn girl? Sorry couldn't help that.

I'll give you a suggestion and I'll preface it with I guarantee you, unless you have some pre-existing condition, you haven't mentioned you will get through this alive, healthy and you will actually improve your physique a whole lot because you will actually use thing that really work. Not anavar alone!

Throw the damn Anavar away it give it to your GF.

Test e or c 750 MGS a week first 4 weeks
500 MGS a week week 5 through 10
DECA or EQ or Primo at 400-500 MGS a week
I don't count the just Anavar so this should be great for a first "REAL" CYCLE.
ALSO add a SERM.

You HAVE TO have your diet down and your training and if you do this for 10 weeks you should transform your body with no health issues what so ever.

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Dallas had a test level of 550ng/ml , natty is anywhere from 270ish to 1030ish but thats ng/dl .. just a fucking insane amount of shit to push it that high.

6 1'' and a lean 300lbs ... madness

Cardiomegaly , his freaking heart weighed 833 grams , dark humor incoming, that officially made him the Grinch cus it's 3 sizes bigger than a normal heart ... fuck me Rich's heart was only 670 and he was 20 years older.

Just a GD shame , were all a little dumb with the shit we do , but some guys just go way to far.

gp0385316 · Jan 28, 2025

Yano said:
Dallas had a test level of 550ng/ml , natty is anywhere from 270ish to 1030ish but thats ng/dl .. just a fucking insane amount of shit to push it that high.

6 1'' and a lean 300lbs ... madness

Cardiomegaly , his freaking heart weighed 833 grams , dark humor incoming, that officially made him the Grinch cus it's 3 sizes bigger than a normal heart ... fuck me Rich's heart was only 670 and he was 20 years older.

Just a GD shame , were all a little dumb with the shit we do , but some guys just go way to far.

We, well from what Ive seen guys do, are pretty conservative.

The entire Boston Loyd thing was like a type of play,that unfolded on you tube. A Greek tragedy we all knew the end of before it happened.

I did listen to most of his you tube stuff, not because I agreed with him at all , not because I respected him( a guy like him, Piana, McCarver they are simply horrible for a sport I really love). I watched for the shock factor, how fast will this kid kill himself was my real reason for tuning in. What's really funny is idiots actually paid him to train them.

To me a good drug coach, because that what they are, will get the most out of the least because they truly know what they are doing.

How could Loyd train anyone when his philosophy was just inject 3 CCS multiple times a day as much as you can, really no rhyme or reason to it. Just use whatever is out there and make sure whatever the dose recommended you multiply it by 10 at least. Anyone can "train" someone like that, I wonder if he killed or hurt anyone else's health? I absolutely hated the ridiculous 3 cc club tee shirts and hats. I wouldn't wear that garbage for a million $. I saw his tomb stone unbelievably it says something like get big it due trying. Not sure if that's it but similar. How the hell do his parents allow that?

To me, the first time I saw him my first thought was he is a complete clown who actually thinks he knows what he's doing. My second thought was he wouldn't see 30. Did he? Did he make 30?

Thanks to these idiots now, in addition to all the other info we have going back to the 50s about steroids, we now know the fastest and most efficient way to kill yourself with them lol.

I know these guys died it sucks but it's so hard to feel badly for them.

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gp0385316 · Jan 28, 2025

Yano said:
Dallas had a test level of 550ng/ml , natty is anywhere from 270ish to 1030ish but thats ng/dl .. just a fucking insane amount of shit to push it that high.

6 1'' and a lean 300lbs ... madness

Cardiomegaly , his freaking heart weighed 833 grams , dark humor incoming, that officially made him the Grinch cus it's 3 sizes bigger than a normal heart ... fuck me Rich's heart was only 670 and he was 20 years older.

Just a GD shame , were all a little dumb with the shit we do , but some guys just go way to far.

And to me Piana just looked horrendous. Talk about a blocky, ugly physique. Totally out of balance, his arms were too big for the rest of him. He basically sucked as a bodybuilder. No aesthetics, no symmetry and blocky like a fire hydrant. He killed himself to look like THAT. JESUS!

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gp0385316 · Jan 28, 2025

gp0385316 said:
And to me Piana just looked horrendous. Talk about a blocky, ugly physique. Totally out of balance, his arms were too big for the rest of him. He basically sucked as a bodybuilder. No aesthetics, no symmetry and blocky like a fire hydrant. He killed himself to look like THAT. JESUS!

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You know what's most ridiculous, these dudes like that Arab, or whatever he was, idiot who died in the sauna loaded up in diuretics so he could walk around the beach water free and do what?

From my experience you do not need to completely dry out like you are competing to pick up women lol. So wtf was he thinking. He wasn't. I think we are talking about bunch of guys who were in the special ed classes in high school. Sadly young kids follow and I utaye these imbeciles.

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Yano · Jan 28, 2025

gp0385316 said:
And to me Piana just looked horrendous. Talk about a blocky, ugly physique. Totally out of balance, his arms were too big for the rest of him. He basically sucked as a bodybuilder. No aesthetics, no symmetry and blocky like a fire hydrant. He killed himself to look like THAT. JESUS!

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Rich was raised in it up to his eyeballs from birth. I don't think he ever had a chance. To me his best look was his NPC win in '99 when he demolished Palumbo , he peaked like 2003/2004 and after that it was all blocky hell , beading , seo and poor mental health.

gp0385316 · Jan 29, 2025

Yano said:
Rich was raised in it up to his eyeballs from birth. I don't think he ever had a chance. To me his best look was his NPC win in '99 when he demolished Palumbo , he peaked like 2003/2004 and after that it was all blocky hell , beading , seo and poor mental health.

I did see a video of Piana one contest, probably the one you reference, where I did not think he looked bad at all. He was still blocky but not close to how he was at the end.

And McCarver, you know, I do not know what to even say. I did see the autopsy measured in ng's which threw a lot of people, including I believe the first medical examiner who stated his test levels were normal, off. That is a humongous amount of test. Until I saw that I thought it was a huge exaggeration that he was taking 14 CCS a day. However if you do the math it would probably take more test than that to get that level.

I mean what was he thinking? He truly believed he could use that much and suffer no adverse side effects? That's just common sense.

Chad Nicholas took so much shit for all that because he was his trainer. Especially from Shawn Ray. I used Nicholas one year for a show but only one year because his drug methods were just too extreme for me.

For some reason Ray absolutely hates Nicholas. He is probably correct. If Dallas was using a bottle and a half of test a day I'm sure Chad had something to do with it.

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Yano · Jan 29, 2025

gp0385316 said:
I did see a video of Piana one contest, probably the one you reference, where I did not think he looked bad at all. He was still blocky but not close to how he was at the end.

And McCarver, you know, I do not know what to even say. I did see the autopsy measured in ng's which threw a lot of people, including I believe the first medical examiner who stated his test levels were normal, off. That is a humongous amount of test. Until I saw that I thought it was a huge exaggeration that he was taking 14 CCS a day. However if you do the math it would probably take more test than that to get that level.

I mean what was he thinking? He truly believed he could use that much and suffer no adverse side effects? That's just common sense.

Chad Nicholas took so much shit for all that because he was his trainer. Especially from Shawn Ray. I used Nicholas one year for a show but only one year because his drug methods were just too extreme for me.

For some reason Ray absolutely hates Nicholas. He is probably correct. If Dallas was using a bottle and a half of test a day I'm sure Chad had something to do with it.

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Some guys push things too far , Shelby is one of them , guy is an incredible coach but man he can push things to some crazy extremes.

gp0385316 · Jan 29, 2025

Yano said:
Some guys push things too far , Shelby is one of them , guy is an incredible coach but man he can push things to some crazy extremes.

After Nicholas, who I didn't like because he wanted me to use such high doses, my last contest I used a guy named Kurt Rexford. He had been my training partners coach when she won the national so I figured I'd try him.

I thought he was great. The first thing he did with me was lower all my drugs. He worked with me for 10 months up to the USA, so not just pre contest.

He had me using 500 MGS of test e every 6 days, 400 MGS deca every 5 days and 50 mgs ANADROL a day. He never switched the test and deca until pre contest but he did change the orals.

It was also the first time I used GH and insulin. He only had me use insulin off season.

Come pre contest I was using far more compounds but none at any high dosages. For example injectable WInstrol 50 mgs EOD.

I did two contests that year. One was 3 weeks before the USA and he had me just go in it with some diuretics. No carb depletion and loading. I won the overall at about 75%. To me I was not hard at that contest, not what I was used to. It was a national qualifier but the competition wasn't great.

The next three weeks he got me more shredded than I'd ever been. Plus he did a perfect job the last week. I was full but holding no to very little water between the skin and the muscles. I really thought I had a great chance to make top 5. Pumping up was an experience. Guys all around me I'd seen in magazines. I actually started a relationship with Danny Hester at that contest. We helped each other pump up and put oil on each other, talked a lot and exchanged #'s. We still talk once and a while. Competing against guys you've seen on the cover of Flex Magazine is most definitely intimidating though.

Anyway I was not called out with the first 5. I was called out with the next 5 and placed 6th.

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gp0385316 · Jan 29, 2025

Yano said:
Some guys push things too far , Shelby is one of them , guy is an incredible coach but man he can push things to some crazy extremes.

Now that guys, and a lot of them, are actually just dieing or suffering horrible consequences I'm wondering if, finally, it may stop this pure ABUSE if peds?

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Yano · Jan 29, 2025

gp0385316 said:
Now that guys, and a lot of them, are actually just dieing or suffering horrible consequences I'm wondering if, finally, it may stop this pure ABUSE if peds?

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To some more will always be better , risk vs reward is for sissies and diminishing returns just means more drugs. It's a sad n sorry state of affairs but this is what happens when "fitness" directly ties into our dysmorphias fears and obsessions ,we throw caution to the wind and dance with the devil. I know I have.

gp0385316 · Jan 30, 2025

Yano said:
To some more will always be better , risk vs reward is for sissies and diminishing returns just means more drugs. It's a sad n sorry state of affairs but this is what happens when "fitness" directly ties into our dysmorphias fears and obsessions ,we throw caution to the wind and dance with the devil. I know I have.

When it comes to competitive bodybuilding I will always blame the NPC and IFBB judges.

If they didn't set the standard to be successful where they did, guys like Yates and Nasser placing high , I think things would have went differently. I'm not sure who decided to make the number one aspect in bodybuilding about pure size but it was a huge mistake. There were two years during Dorians run that Shawn Ray placed 2cnd. Comparing Ray to Yates is impossible you just can't. It's like comparing a car to an airplane. But, there is no reason, at all, Ray could not have won both times which would have set a different, far more healthy precedent. Also who would have been a better face of the sport? I've heard Yates talk the guy has 0 personality. Ray has I e of the most perfect physiques ever, he's a good looking dude who is well spoken. Yates is none of that.

But I know he's big.

Three pics from 1994 Mr o where Shawn took 2cnd. Look at them could Shawn had not won? To me he did.