Cycle Check

[Bbstein]

Gentlemen, I realize this is my first post on the new account. I hope I’m posting it the correct location. I’ve been on these forums for over 15 years and I’ve lost my original sign in and there goes rep power. Anyway, on some boards it seems that some users with the first post arent taken serious, which I get that but I am anxious to start over again and Im not 17 yrs old

I was hurt on my 2nd deployment to the middle east and my gym progress has been riddeled of frustrating hurdles as I have had 9 surgeries in the last 11 years.

Regardless, I’m about to step into my 3rd cycle and I’m open to suggestions to make sure I’m not losing my mind. This time it actually looks like I’ll be able to retain what I gain instead of having another fucking unanticipated surgery a year later. I’ve been lifting hard for 10 months to recondition my tendons, prep my body for the cycle and get my digestive system used to all the food.

Stats:
41 yrs old, 5’9”, 192 lbs, 13% BF. Goal is to bulk. I have a very fast metabolism so I can trim down when the time is right after I have established my gains post cycle.

I am on TRT indefinitely as a prescription, I have no plans for children so this is more of a blast and cruise. No PCT recommendations are needed.

Prelabs:
200 mg test cyp TRT has me hover 820 ng/dl total test with 352 pg/ml free test. Prolaction is 7.1 mIU/ml and estradiol at 13 mIU/ml

Wks
2-6. 25 mg dbol/25 adrol combo tab ED

1-12. 150 mg tren ace EOD (may cut back to 10 wks depending on anxiety, insomnia, aggression, night sweats, ect) 450/wk

1-12. 200 mg EOD test prop 600/wk

1-12. sermorelin

AI/SERMS/dopaminergic:
Aromasin. 12.5 mg EOD
Caber .25 mg E3D-may work up to .5 mg depending on 4 week lab results
May use HCG and nolva for testicular atrophy and muscle retention during normal PCT timeframe, although will be TRT cruise

Since the tren will not aromatize, in the past, 12.5 mg of aromasin/exemestine has worked well for me with 600 mg test but 12.5 mg EOD might be just a tick too much. 4 wk labs will tell. I do have letro on hand if shit gets crazy, but I crash hard on it. Nolva on hand for itchy nipps

There’s a long debate on test/tren ratio and I seem to perform better with slightly higher test.
Thoughts? Much appreciated

 

[Bro Bundy]

U respond pretty bad to test at only 800 on 200 mg. I get that on half the dose

 

[GreatGunz]

You wanna run tren ace at 450mg a week??
For 12 weeks?

800 mg total test a week…..

Dbol = water that’s about it.

You plan on competing or something?

Almost 2000 mg a week total……….

 

[Yano]

1-12. 150 mg tren ace EOD (may cut back to 10 wks depending on anxiety, insomnia, aggression, night sweats, ect) 450/wk

You have any experience dancing with the devil at those levels ? That's not exactly a fun ride.

 

[snake]

You wanna run tren ace at 450mg a week??
For 12 weeks?

Beat me to it GG. Actually it's 525 mg/wk. If you can make it 12 weeks on that, you're either an anomaly or you have bunk gear.

I can do well on 250 mg a week of tren and look ok by most standards. 500 mg is the death zone for most people with tren.

 

[Bbstein]

Beat me to it GG. Actually it's 525 mg/wk. If you can make it 12 weeks on that, you're either an anomaly or you have bunk gear.

I can do well on 250 mg a week of tren and look ok by most standards. 500 mg is the death zone for most people

You wanna run tren ace at 450mg a week??
For 12 weeks?

800 mg total test a week…..

Dbol = water that’s about it.

You plan on competing or something?

Almost 2000 mg a week total……….

Ill drop tren back to 300 tren weekly. I was looking at 450 tren, 600 mg test prop weekly, not 800 mg test. 8 grams test would be a lot for me. I have ran tren but not at 450 mg weekly. Would be 600 test prop.

 

[Yano]

Ill drop tren back to 300 tren weekly. I was looking at 450 tren, 600 mg test prop weekly, not 800 mg test. 8 grams test would be a lot for me. I have ran tren but not at 450 mg weekly. Would be 600 test prop.

Take it from some one that has and gone past that , don't. Its a roller coaster ride through Hell.

 

[GreatGunz]

Ill drop tren back to 300 tren weekly. I was looking at 450 tren, 600 mg test prop weekly, not 800 mg test. 8 grams test would be a lot for me. I have ran tren but not at 450 mg weekly. Would be 600 test prop.

I added your trt dose
And @225 mg a week for 7 weeks I was threaded and had to add big bowl of ice cream every night and 3 - 4 pbj sammiches to keep from dropping weight too quickly…..

 

[Bbstein]

You have any experience dancing with the devil at those levels ? That's not exactly a fun ride.

Not at 450 tren. 600 mg teat prop, yes. Ill dial the tren back to 300, test prop at 600. Labs at 6 wks will give me good indicator how to proceed

Take it from some one that has and gone past that , don't. Its a roller coaster ride through Hell.

I will definitely take that into account. The last thing I want to do is make this a negative thing. Much appreciated, brother.

 

[Bbstein]

I added your trt dose
And @225 mg a week for 7 weeks I was threaded and had to add big bowl of ice cream every night and 3 - 4 pbj sammiches to keep from dropping weight too quickly…..

Right on, much appreciated. I wasn’t going to throw that test prop on top of TRT but I didn’t clearly state that so I get it. Thanks brother

 

[snake]

Ill drop tren back to 300 tren weekly. I was looking at 450 tren, 600 mg test prop weekly, not 800 mg test. 8 grams test would be a lot for me. I have ran tren but not at 450 mg weekly. Would be 600 test prop.

I once tried to push the upper end of tren. Ran 300x4 weeks and added 100mg each 3 weeks. Hit 500 and couldn't get out of Dodge quick enough. Sometimes you never know how much is enough until you know how much is too much.

Honestly, I can pull off a good cycle on 250mg Tren and 250mg test for 15-16 weeks. Less gear and more weeks gives the compounds more exposure to your training.

One other thing, sides were very minimal and I was not miserable.

 

[Bro Bundy]

I’m on 200 mg of tren week 3 or 4 I’m getting ripped

 

[A-steroid]

Aromasin's dosage of 12.5 mg per day may be a bit high, especially considering Tren. If you notice signs of low estrogen (joint pain, mood swings), you may want to lower the dose. Keep an eye on your symptoms and adjust accordingly. Your test results at week 4 will give you a better idea of how things are going.

 

[Synyster]

Gentlemen, I realize this is my first post on the new account. I hope I’m posting it the correct location. I’ve been on these forums for over 15 years and I’ve lost my original sign in and there goes rep power. Anyway, on some boards it seems that some users with the first post arent taken serious, which I get that but I am anxious to start over again and Im not 17 yrs old

I was hurt on my 2nd deployment to the middle east and my gym progress has been riddeled of frustrating hurdles as I have had 9 surgeries in the last 11 years.

Regardless, I’m about to step into my 3rd cycle and I’m open to suggestions to make sure I’m not losing my mind. This time it actually looks like I’ll be able to retain what I gain instead of having another fucking unanticipated surgery a year later. I’ve been lifting hard for 10 months to recondition my tendons, prep my body for the cycle and get my digestive system used to all the food.

Stats:
41 yrs old, 5’9”, 192 lbs, 13% BF. Goal is to bulk. I have a very fast metabolism so I can trim down when the time is right after I have established my gains post cycle.

I am on TRT indefinitely as a prescription, I have no plans for children so this is more of a blast and cruise. No PCT recommendations are needed.

Prelabs:
200 mg test cyp TRT has me hover 820 ng/dl total test with 352 pg/ml free test. Prolaction is 7.1 mIU/ml and estradiol at 13 mIU/ml

Wks
2-6. 25 mg dbol/25 adrol combo tab ED

1-12. 150 mg tren ace EOD (may cut back to 10 wks depending on anxiety, insomnia, aggression, night sweats, ect) 450/wk

1-12. 200 mg EOD test prop 600/wk

1-12. sermorelin

AI/SERMS/dopaminergic:
Aromasin. 12.5 mg EOD
Caber .25 mg E3D-may work up to .5 mg depending on 4 week lab results
May use HCG and nolva for testicular atrophy and muscle retention during normal PCT timeframe, although will be TRT cruise

Since the tren will not aromatize, in the past, 12.5 mg of aromasin/exemestine has worked well for me with 600 mg test but 12.5 mg EOD might be just a tick too much. 4 wk labs will tell. I do have letro on hand if shit gets crazy, but I crash hard on it. Nolva on hand for itchy nipps

There’s a long debate on test/tren ratio and I seem to perform better with slightly higher test.
Thoughts? Much appreciated

Tons of things here I'd change.

For starters, using test prop is a mistake. There's no advantage other than the low concentration can act like an SEO but you aren't using enough to utilize that. It's more painful, more expensive, less stable than test e.

Secondly, test should be injected daily. Period. Long ester, injected daily. It creates the most stable blood levels and therefor less conversion to estradiol and dht.

Third, Kickstarting Ur cycle with an oral never made sense. Especially dbol. You're goung to gain 8lbs of fluid right away, then lose it all on week 7 when ur off. You want to taper UP in doses during cycle, not down. Not to mention orals in general are very over rated if you aren't competing. And on top of that a dbol anadrol mix is an odd choice.

Fourth sermorelin and all those secreatagogues are junk. Hgh has never been cheaper than it is right now. If you're trying to grow and csnt afford over 6iu per day of gh, then just put Ur money towards food and cheaper anabolics. Nothing In that realm is better or even close to actual hgh... And actual hgh is not expensive.

Fifth... Tren. Why? If you aren't competing or have a decade or more under Ur belt on cycle you have no use for tren. And even then, the dosage you want is 5-20mg per day. And even that is higher than you need to go. Any higher than that and you are just accumulating side effects. The only possible positive that happens above 20mg per day is the added fat loss via motochondrial uncoupling just like dnp. Hence the night sweats etc. But there are far better fat burners with much less sides than high dose tren.
If you have any family history of Alzheimer's I'd run far far away from tren. Same with if you have a personal history with addiction. Very bad combination. I've seen it ruin lives in people very close to me. Several people.

Think of it this way, you're an average guy. You likely don't compete, you just want to look good and be strong. Yet, the top bodybuilder on earth currently, who has literally millions of dollars on the line... Has never used tren bc he's afraid of the sides. He was still good enough to win Mr. Olympia without it. If he can be Mr Olympia without it, I'm damn sure you can reach your goals without it aswell

Also, most Anabolic steroids will build new contractile muscle tissue at approximately the same rate. Nandralone is a tad higher than the rest. But tren is notably lower than everything except proviron.. Which is Junk. Tren is not at all for bulking, unless you run your estradiol sky high which completely changes how it functions and also REALLY ramps up the side effects. It's literally the worst choice of drugs (other than proviron)

Sixth-your Aromasin dosage is pulled out of thin air. It will depend on your serum e2 levels and if you design Ur cycle properly you may not need to use any.

Seventh - you'll never need caber if you use the proper amount of tren. Never use caber.

Eighth-Nolvadex during cycle is only if you have gyno issues.



Now... To help with Ur cycle.


Test e - 75mg daily (525 per week)
Eq-30mg daily (210 per week)

Hgh... Start at 2iu per day. 2 hours before bed. Increasing 1iu every 3 weeks until u reach 6iu. Then hold there.

Humalog immediately pre workout IM at 4-20iu depending on how many carbs Ur eating. Obviously starting at 4iu and slowly increasing.


You aren't converting to much e2 based on Ur current trt bloodwork which is why I'd keep the eq really low to start. So it doesn't crash your e2. Bloods on week 10 (or on week 6 if you can find Boldenone cypionate) will reveal where you're at and what to adjust. If you're bulking you're going to want your e2 to be over 50pg/mL. Possibly quite a bit higher if you're using the hgh.

If you decide not to do the gh then increase dosages to 100 test e(700) + 45 eq per day(315)


No need for any orals here. Orals will tax Ur liver and hurt Ur appetite. Food is key to everything.

This course will want to be about 30 weeks long.. Maybe a full 52 weeks.

If you go the full 52 weeks then at week 26 I'd throw in 40mg NPP per day also to start.


2 gallons water per day. Not including coffee, preworkout, intra, shakes, soda.

Macros to start

600g carbs
50g fat (14g coming from fish oil supplement)
240g protein

Spread over 6 meals ideally. No more than 2 shake meals per day.

 

[Bro Bundy]

Tons of things here I'd change.

For starters, using test prop is a mistake. There's no advantage other than the low concentration can act like an SEO but you aren't using enough to utilize that. It's more painful, more expensive, less stable than test e.

Secondly, test should be injected daily. Period. Long ester, injected daily. It creates the most stable blood levels and therefor less conversion to estradiol and dht.

Third, Kickstarting Ur cycle with an oral never made sense. Especially dbol. You're goung to gain 8lbs of fluid right away, then lose it all on week 7 when ur off. You want to taper UP in doses during cycle, not down. Not to mention orals in general are very over rated if you aren't competing. And on top of that a dbol anadrol mix is an odd choice.

Fourth sermorelin and all those secreatagogues are junk. Hgh has never been cheaper than it is right now. If you're trying to grow and csnt afford over 6iu per day of gh, then just put Ur money towards food and cheaper anabolics. Nothing In that realm is better or even close to actual hgh... And actual hgh is not expensive.

Fifth... Tren. Why? If you aren't competing or have a decade or more under Ur belt on cycle you have no use for tren. And even then, the dosage you want is 5-20mg per day. And even that is higher than you need to go. Any higher than that and you are just accumulating side effects. The only possible positive that happens above 20mg per day is the added fat loss via motochondrial uncoupling just like dnp. Hence the night sweats etc. But there are far better fat burners with much less sides than high dose tren.
If you have any family history of Alzheimer's I'd run far far away from tren. Same with if you have a personal history with addiction. Very bad combination. I've seen it ruin lives in people very close to me. Several people.

Think of it this way, you're an average guy. You likely don't compete, you just want to look good and be strong. Yet, the top bodybuilder on earth currently, who has literally millions of dollars on the line... Has never used tren bc he's afraid of the sides. He was still good enough to win Mr. Olympia without it. If he can be Mr Olympia without it, I'm damn sure you can reach your goals without it aswell

Also, most Anabolic steroids will build new contractile muscle tissue at approximately the same rate. Nandralone is a tad higher than the rest. But tren is notably lower than everything except proviron.. Which is Junk. Tren is not at all for bulking, unless you run your estradiol sky high which completely changes how it functions and also REALLY ramps up the side effects. It's literally the worst choice of drugs (other than proviron)

Sixth-your Aromasin dosage is pulled out of thin air. It will depend on your serum e2 levels and if you design Ur cycle properly you may not need to use any.

Seventh - you'll never need caber if you use the proper amount of tren. Never use caber.

Eighth-Nolvadex during cycle is only if you have gyno issues.



Now... To help with Ur cycle.


Test e - 75mg daily (525 per week)
Eq-30mg daily (210 per week)

Hgh... Start at 2iu per day. 2 hours before bed. Increasing 1iu every 3 weeks until u reach 6iu. Then hold there.

Humalog immediately pre workout IM at 4-20iu depending on how many carbs Ur eating. Obviously starting at 4iu and slowly increasing.


You aren't converting to much e2 based on Ur current trt bloodwork which is why I'd keep the eq really low to start. So it doesn't crash your e2. Bloods on week 10 (or on week 6 if you can find Boldenone cypionate) will reveal where you're at and what to adjust. If you're bulking you're going to want your e2 to be over 50pg/mL. Possibly quite a bit higher if you're using the hgh.

If you decide not to do the gh then increase dosages to 100 test e(700) + 45 eq per day(315)


No need for any orals here. Orals will tax Ur liver and hurt Ur appetite. Food is key to everything.

This course will want to be about 30 weeks long.. Maybe a full 52 weeks.

If you go the full 52 weeks then at week 26 I'd throw in 40mg NPP per day also to start.


2 gallons water per day. Not including coffee, preworkout, intra, shakes, soda.

Macros to start

600g carbs
50g fat (14g coming from fish oil supplement)
240g protein

Spread over 6 meals ideally. No more than 2 shake meals per day.

Injecting daily will get old fast . I don’t even like injecting more then one time a week

 

[Synyster]

Injecting daily will get old fast . I don’t even like injecting more then one time a week

U use a backfilled insulin syringe. Literally half the shots I don't feel anything

 

[Bro Bundy]

U use a backfilled insulin syringe. Literally half the shots I don't feel anything

I did that 10 years ago . I always felt not safe doing that . I felt I can give myself an infection much easier that way . Eventually it gets old it’s not the needle it’s the oil that will get annoying. Few months no big deal but a life time of pinning daily gets old fast . I don’t mind peaks and valleys. The whole keep it stable is over played I feel fine 6 days after my last pin