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I'm sorry how is talking manly? Again, I'm not LOUD, I'm just speaking, so now I'm manly because I simply carry on conversation?

I know it goes both ways. But I dress feminine and do myself up to be feminine, so the fact that I speak makes me manly?

I enjoy when a woman chats me up. I don't feel being somewhat outgoing as a woman makes her less feminine. I prefer not to carry the entire conversation. As Diesel said, it's personal taste.

 

[Jenn_is_Jenning]

I enjoy when a woman chats me up. I don't feel being somewhat outgoing as a woman makes her less feminine. I prefer not to carry the entire conversation. As Diesel said, it's personal taste.

No, actually what he said was that most men feel the way he does. He SHOULD have said it's personal taste because laughing and smiling and talking at work being seen as masculine is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of.
Sure, some men want women who don't speak.
Some, not most.
I'm all for submissive behavior in the bedroom, but thinking a friendly, smiling woman is masculine is beyond comprehension to me.

 

[Diesel59]

No, actually what he said was that most men feel the way he does. He SHOULD have said it's personal taste

To be fair, I did:

It all comes down to personal taste

because laughing and smiling and talking at work being seen as masculine is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of.

When juxtaposed with the "quiet little mouse" type of woman, the outspoken woman would be seen as the more masculine one every time.

A lot of the men who are most likely to disagree with me on this are the ones you already labelled as soy boys.

Sure, some men want women who don't speak.
Some, not most.

You can say that, but it would be about as fair as me talking about what most women want.

I'm all for submissive behavior in the bedroom, but thinking a friendly, smiling woman is masculine is beyond comprehension to me.

I did not mean any of this to be upsetting. I thought it was part of an honest and interesting conversation.

 

[Jenn_is_Jenning]

To be fair, I did:





When juxtaposed with the "quiet little mouse" type of woman, the outspoken woman would be seen as the more masculine one every time.

A lot of the men who are most likely to disagree with me on this are the ones you already labelled as soy boys.




You can say that, but it would be about as fair as me talking about what most women want.



I did not mean any of this to be upsetting. I thought it was part of an honest and interesting conversation.

Yeah, and you also contradicted yourself by saying MOST men in your other post after.

Doesn't matter if you didn't mean for any of it to be upsetting, it was.
I haven't been this happy at work in years. I enjoy engaging and joking with my coworkers. There's nothing masculine about my behavior. In fact, the only ones who don't talk are the ones who don't speak English.

Why the fuck would I just sit there in silence while everyone else is laughing and having fun? Not to mention, participating helps advance my career.

And every guy I've asked about this has a similar reply of "this sounds like total bullshit".

THIS seems far more like soy boy behavior, but I'll stop myself before I say something I regret.

 

[CJ]

To be fair, I did:





When juxtaposed with the "quiet little mouse" type of woman, the outspoken woman would be seen as the more masculine one every time.

A lot of the men who are most likely to disagree with me on this are the ones you already labelled as soy boys.




You can say that, but it would be about as fair as me talking about what most women want.



I did not mean any of this to be upsetting. I thought it was part of an honest and interesting conversation.

Well I guess that I'm a soyboy, because I absolute do not consider an outgoing woman to be masculine while a "quiet little mouse" is feminine.

That has absolutely nothing to do with masculinity vs femininity. It's simply extrovert vs introvert, it's not even remotely similar. I know a couple of quiet guys that are some of the most "manly" suns'a'bitches that you'd ever meet, while I also know a few who don't ever shut the fuck up, and they're far from what one would consider masculine.

 

[Jenn_is_Jenning]

Well I guess that I'm a soyboy, because I absolute do not consider an outgoing woman to be masculine while a "quiet little mouse" is feminine.

That has absolutely nothing to do with masculinity vs femininity. It's simply extrovert vs introvert, it's not even remotely similar. I know a couple of quiet guys that are some of the most "manly" suns'a'bitches that you'd ever meet, while I also know a few who don't ever shut the fuck up, and they're far from what one would consider masculine.

Yes! Exactly! Thank you

 

[CJ]

Yes! Exactly! Thank you

When I think of a masculine woman, I think of Wrangler jeans and a flannel, work boots, trucker hat or a buzz cut, maybe a cheek full of tobacco, driving an F150 or a Ram, chugging a Budweiser.

 

[Wizbang]

When I think of a masculine woman, I think of Wrangler jeans and a flannel, work boots, trucker hat or a buzz cut, maybe a cheek full of tobacco, driving an F150 or a Ram, chugging a Budweiser.

 

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When I think of a masculine woman, I think of Wrangler jeans and a flannel, work boots, trucker hat or a buzz cut, maybe a cheek full of tobacco, driving an F150 or a Ram, chugging a Budweiser.

Except for the chewing tobacco part, she sounds hot.
In all seriousness, I enjoy an intelligent conversation with a woman. I don't find stupid women attractive. If she can engage in bright and clever banter, it steps up her game in my book.
Again, this is my preference, and having learned recently what the term "soy boy" means, I can state with confidence I am not a member of that club.

 

[CJ]

Except for the chewing tobacco part, she sounds hot.
In all seriousness, I enjoy an intelligent conversation with a woman. I don't find stupid women attractive. If she can engage in bright and clever banter, it steps up her game in my book.
Again, this is my preference, and having learned recently what the term "soy boy" means, I can state with confidence I am not a member of that club.

You can be quiet, but still intelligent. But I agree with your point.

 

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You can be quiet, but still intelligent. But I agree with your point.

Agreed. Yes you can. My point wasn't that silence equals a lack of intelligence, it was more along the lines of engaging in intelligent conversation vs. "How's my hair?" or "Is this dress just the cutest thing?".
One of my favorite quotes, and I'm paraphrasing, is "It's best to stay silent and allow people to think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Intelligent conversation is sexy.

 

[Jenn_is_Jenning]

I am just gonna say last night, I was so pissed about this I couldn't sleep, and now it seems so trivial.

My son got in a car accident and now I'm at my stupid desk bawling. Sometimes you just need things to shock the shit out of you to see what's really important

 

[Diesel59]

outgoing

To be fair, I never used that word. I said outspoken. Two very different things.

When I think of a masculine woman, I think of Wrangler jeans and a flannel, work boots, trucker hat or a buzz cut, maybe a cheek full of tobacco, driving an F150 or a Ram, chugging a Budweiser.

Your description is that of a lesbian. Either that or a woman from the deepest mountains of West Virginia.

I am just gonna say last night, I was so pissed about this I couldn't sleep, and now it seems so trivial.

My son got in a car accident and now I'm at my stupid desk bawling. Sometimes you just need things to shock the shit out of you to see what's really important

I hope your son is ok.

My intention was never to upset you or anything close to what happened. I thought this was simply part of a conversation we were having based on your post. But I'll be more mindful in the future.

 

[CJ]

To be fair, I never used that word. I said outspoken. Two very different things.

I know, I did. But neither is a characteristic of being masculine or feminine.

Your description is that of a lesbian. Either that or a woman from the deepest mountains of West Virginia.

Really? What if she's not a lesbian?

There are effeminate dudes who aren't gay. Must suck, but it happens.

 

[Diesel59]

I know, I did. But neither is a characteristic of being masculine or feminine.

I guess it comes down to a matter of personal opinion and preference. Being outgoing is not certainly not a masculine trait, but being outspoken is certainly not a feminine trait.


With men it's different because the quiet guy who sticks to himself can give off more masculine energy than the guys who are making too much noise.

Really? What if she's not a lesbian?

She's going to have to deal with people thinking she is.

A woman of your description might need to do something to signal that she's into men.

There are effeminate dudes who aren't gay. Must suck, but it happens.

Those are the soy boys that this entire conversation goes back to.

 

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I am just gonna say last night, I was so pissed about this I couldn't sleep, and now it seems so trivial.

My son got in a car accident and now I'm at my stupid desk bawling. Sometimes you just need things to shock the shit out of you to see what's really important

I hope your son is okay. It definitely puts things into perspective.
One thing the board is not short of is difference of opinion. Diesel was not attacking anyone in my opinion, and sometimes the printed word is taken too literally. I enjoy writing, but I prefer speaking, as tone, eye contact and inflection play a huge part in conveying a thought or viewpoint.

 

[Jenn_is_Jenning]

*Being outgoing is not certainly not a masculine trait, but being outspoken is certainly not a feminine trait*

NO! FOR THE LAST TIME!!! THis SHIT is only related in your head and what YOU'RE attracted to.

And YOU started using the word outspoken, when I kept saying TALKING, LAUGHING, etc.
Regardless of that, outspoken isn't masculine OR feminine, being quiet isn't masculine OR feminine.

You personally are just attracted to quiet women.
That doesn't mean a woman who is outspoken is masculine or not feminine. It means you're not attracted to outspoken women! That's all this is.

FFS

 

[PZT]

I enjoy when a woman chats me up. I don't feel being somewhat outgoing as a woman makes her less feminine. I prefer not to carry the entire conversation. As Diesel said, it's personal taste.

I think most men, especially now, would prefer the woman to peruse. I always enjoyed that in my early 20s. As a teen it was easier to chat up girls but after high school it was more confusing and I was probably less confident.

 

[PZT]

NO! FOR THE LAST TIME!!! THis SHIT is only related in your head and what YOU'RE attracted to.

And YOU started using the word outspoken, when I kept saying TALKING, LAUGHING, etc.
Regardless of that, outspoken isn't masculine OR feminine, being quiet isn't masculine OR feminine.

You personally are just attracted to quiet women.
That doesn't mean a woman who is outspoken is masculine or not feminine. It means you're not attracted to outspoken women! That's all this is.

FFS

Outspoken when are awesome until you have to spend everyday with them. Lol

 

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I think most men, especially now, would prefer the woman to peruse. I always enjoyed that in my early 20s. As a teen it was easier to chat up girls but after high school it was more confusing and I was probably less confident.

I was the opposite; less confident in high school and overconfident after.