DMAA and “Mesomorph”

[TeddyBear]

Hey,

I have a kid who swears by his new preworkout and loved his “euphoric” workout after taking “APS’ Mesomorph”.

Thing is, he commented “it doesn’t have DMAA so I won’t die!”

I wasn’t familiar with DMAA so I looked into and learned some of the risks associated with reckless DMAA.

I also saw that APS advertises Mesomorph as “DMAA FREE”. But also as “WITH DMAA’s ORIGIN in the form of Gerananium Extract”.

Basically the ad pitch is equivalent to “it doesn’t have banned chocolate, it has cocoa bean instead!”.

Help me out;
1. Is DMAA something I should discourage teens from using?

2. Is Mesomorph’s advertising…
A.) just BS or
B.) unfounded in research at all
C.) or likely legitimate semantics to get the same stuff in there
D.) all of the above

 

[CohibaRobusto]

So... I was drinking preworkouts with dmaa and dmha in them before my heart problems. I don't think those created the problem, I'm pretty sure it was already there to some extent. But I don't doubt they made it worse.

A quick google search on dmaa and heart arythmias led me to some interesting articles:

Acute Myocardial Infarction Associated with Dietary Supplements Containing 1,3-Dimethylamylamine and Citrus aurantium

We describe the case of a previously healthy 22-year-old man who presented with anginal chest pain and was diagnosed with a non-ST-elevation myocardial infarction. For 3 weeks, he had been ingesting the dietary supplements Jack3d® (principal ingredient, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Heart rate responses (BPM) after oral administration of 25 mg DMAA...

Download scientific diagram | Heart rate responses (BPM) after oral administration of 25 mg DMAA (n = 7). Data are mean ± SD. A significant time effect was noted (p < 0.000), but no pairwise differences were detected post-hoc (p > 0.05). from publication: Physiological and pharmacokinetic...

www.researchgate.net

 

[Send0]

Hey,

I have a kid who swears by his new preworkout and loved his “euphoric” workout after taking “APS’ Mesomorph”.

Thing is, he commented “it doesn’t have DMAA so I won’t die!”

I wasn’t familiar with DMAA so I looked into and learned some of the risks associated with reckless DMAA.

I also saw that APS advertises Mesomorph as “DMAA FREE”. But also as “WITH DMAA’s ORIGIN in the form of Gerananium Extract”.

Basically the ad pitch is equivalent to “it doesn’t have banned chocolate, it has cocoa bean instead!”.

Help me out;
1. Is DMAA something I should discourage teens from using?

2. Is Mesomorph’s advertising…
A.) just BS or
B.) unfounded in research at all
C.) or likely legitimate semantics to get the same stuff in there
D.) all of the above

DMAA is an amphetamine derivative. I think way way back in the day (before my time) it was used as a decongestant. It's a stimulant, and I'd say it's on par with something like ephedrine in terms of it's effect. It does help performance in the gym, similar to how a good dose of caffeine will also boost performance (just not as strong as DMAA).

Like all things, as long as a person doesn't abuse the f' out of it... then it's perfectly fine to use IMO. It is however banned by WADA, so if your student is competing then that may be something to bring up.

 

[Send0]

For reference, I take 50mg of vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine) daily because I have ADHD. I've done this for the last 11-12 years, and anecdotally I have no health issues from taking my daily dose.

Now I do think it does effect my dopamine receptors; in that I think the constant stimulation from the Lisdexamfetamine may be down regulating my dopamine receptors. It's also anecdotal, but I don't feel like I "enjoy" things as much as I used to prior to starting medication. I've considered trying to go off for a month, and then starting my prescription again by going 4 days on and 3 days off.

There is a withdrawal that happens when I try to come off, and I haven't made it beyond 12 days yet. So my only concern with DMAA is that constant use may also down regulate dopamine receptors, or that it could lead to withdrawal when someone tries to stop taking it (assuming they use it daily or multiple times daily). With that said, I feel like this risk is minimal or non-existent with DMAA

 

[Adrenolin]

I was personally always a big fan of it. Think of the original Jack3d for reference. It works very synergistically with caffeine and NALT (N-acetyl L-Tyrosine), the effects are amplified and prolonged with no crash feeling. Though I've never noticed much at all using DMAA by itself.

 

[sfw509]

In the past I have used a few pre workouts with it. Ive also read somewhere in the past it was either used or investigated as a decongestant.

For me there was a noticeable increase in energy and heart rate when I took it. Oddly enough it caused some urinary retention. I looked this up and found out some decongestants can cause this.

As stated before, it is banned by some governing bodies. That with the ephedrine like side effects should make anyone carefully consider if it is right for them to use.

 

[Strikeclinch]

I was personally always a big fan of it. Think of the original Jack3d for reference. It works very synergistically with caffeine and NALT (N-acetyl L-Tyrosine), the effects are amplified and prolonged with no crash feeling. Though I've never noticed much at all using DMAA by itself.

I’m def a fan of it on days I’m dragging my ass I have a blend of dmaa caffeine And albuterol works well

 

[PZT]

I love all that stuff but my tolerance builds up fast

 

[Bigflexxa]

Old Mesomorph was good new formula it’s not good imo. The best pre workouts right now that I have tried for pump,energy, feeling and not feeling sick or weird after is called Pre Phase KO, another one that will knock you on your ass and make your Dick not work after is called Dark Energy. My Top 3 right now Pre Phase KO, Wrecked extreme (my daily drive) doesn’t have dmaa or dmha. And Dark energy I’ll take it like once every two weeks

 

[PZT]

Dark Energy was very nice for a bit but had no ED issues. Im like a B list pen0r star doh

 

[Strikeclinch]

No

Hey,

I have a kid who swears by his new preworkout and loved his “euphoric” workout after taking “APS’ Mesomorph”.

Thing is, he commented “it doesn’t have DMAA so I won’t die!”

I wasn’t familiar with DMAA so I looked into and learned some of the risks associated with reckless DMAA.

I also saw that APS advertises Mesomorph as “DMAA FREE”. But also as “WITH DMAA’s ORIGIN in the form of Gerananium Extract”.

Basically the ad pitch is equivalent to “it doesn’t have banned chocolate, it has cocoa bean instead!”.

Help me out;
1. Is DMAA something I should discourage teens from using?

2. Is Mesomorph’s advertising…
A.) just BS or
B.) unfounded in research at all
C.) or likely legitimate semantics to get the same stuff in there
D.) all of the above

discourage them if they’re dumb and take way to much ya. It’s dangerous if you over do it

 

[Bigflexxa]

Dark Energy was very nice for a bit but had no ED issues. Im like a B list pen0r star doh

Bruh after workout it was just a chub it’s a known side effect for it I’ll why but the high feeling is amazing so pros and cons