Haven’t cycled for 11 years, questions on genetic peak, maximizing gains from low doses, and need cycle plan help.

[medulla oblongata]

I'm currently 200 lbs, 5'11", with 14% body fat, aiming to compete in classic physique. 11 years ago, I reached 235 lbs at the same body fat using 850 mg of testosterone, 600mg masteron and it ended badly once I added in masteron with full blown cystic acne that took 3 years to resolve.

At 35, I'm planning to gradually increase my testosterone dosage, starting at 160 mg with 500 IU of hCG weekly, to control side effects like acne. I'm considering whether to wait 3-6 months to hit my natural limits first or begin my cycle now. I probably hit my natural limits one year ago naturally but my physique deteriorated a decent amount from last year.

I’m focusing on extracting maximum gains from lower dosages for long-term progress and side effect management. My goal is to look like an advanced classic physique competitor within a year or two or realistically as fast as possible while ensuring safety and long term happiness. I'm also wondering if muscle memory will help me regain my past size more quickly and whether it's worth delaying the cycle for a few months of natural progress. I'm working 70 hours a week now but plan to quit to focus on bodybuilding. Any advice on this approach would be helpful.

I’m educated on diet, training, drugs, and use to be a moderator on another forum a decade ago lol. Honestly I know this protocol seems weird, but I have to ensure I can control any acne that occurs, and the whole genetic peak thing I may be overthinking.

 

[snake]

I'm not big on gear talk so I'll pass there on that. I will tell you this about sides, they're dose-dependent. More gear, more mgs, more sides.

Muscle memory is a real thing, but it's only going to take you a little bit of the way. For the most part, it helps you get back a little quicker.

 

[eazy]

using 850 mg of testosterone, 600mg masteron

hit my natural limits first

that ship has sailed.
the myonuclei you created back then are retained indefinitely.

goal is to look like an advanced classic physique competitor within a year or two

a picture is worth a thousand words. can't say how close or far you are from your goal without one.

wondering if muscle memory will help me regain my past size more quickly

yes. see above.

use to be a moderator on another forum

so I'm preaching to the choir

the whole genetic peak thing I may be overthinking

yes, you are.

Any advice on this approach would be helpful

I’m educated on diet, training, drugs

if this is the case, what do you want advice on specifically.

You already understand if your training and nutrition are not dialed in you will be wasting oil.

 

[Trenbolonely]

Is there any reason you don’t just use Accutane?

I know someone who used hCG when he wanted to have a kid it made him break out worse than any steroid and ended up having to remove the acne scars.
Be careful if you’re prone to acne. With hcg it could be just as bad if not worse if it’s your first time using it.

Lowest doses becoming high level competitor in a year. Good luck bro lol

 

[medulla oblongata]

that ship has sailed.
the myonuclei you created back then are retained indefinitely.


a picture is worth a thousand words. can't say how close or far you are from your goal without one.


yes. see above.


so I'm preaching to the choir


yes, you are.



if this is the case, what do you want advice on specifically.

You already understand if your training and nutrition are not dialed in you will be wasting oil.

I guess I just wanted to know if besides wasting money or oil if there were any other downsides to starting a low dose testosterone cycle when I could wait a month or two and be in better shape.

Lol but Ironically it would take around that amount of time about 6 weeks just for my blood levels to reach peak concentration levels

 

[medulla oblongata]

Is there any reason you don’t just use Accutane?

I know someone who used hCG when he wanted to have a kid it made him break out worse than any steroid and ended up having to remove the acne scars.
Be careful if you’re prone to acne. With hcg it could be just as bad if not worse if it’s your first time using it.

Lowest doses becoming high level competitor in a year. Good luck bro lol

If I ever get bad acne again, I’ll definitely use Accutane. I have lots of antibiotics for Acne saved up also. I’ve used hCG before and it never caused me issues, you could be right though it may add to the storm when mixed with large doses of steroids.

I took a look at classic physique again and men’s physique, and your right it would take high doses to look like any of the high end competitors. Throughout the years both classes have had competitors get way bigger. I guess I just want to see what I can do, ramp things up slowly and keep side effect management at the forefront of my mind. Lol using the words high end competitor were a poor choice of words on my part, I think I just meant more on the lines of somebody who could go to some of the amateur shows and do alright.

 

[GreatGunz]

Bro,
Be careful using antibiotics…….I colon/gut issues and had to be on them quite a bit.
Fast forward I now have no lower bowel flora…..Because I ended up getting C Diff induced by the antibiotics use.

The damage is permanent…..
Be safe

 

[Trenbolonely]

If I ever get bad acne again, I’ll definitely use Accutane. I have lots of antibiotics for Acne saved up also. I’ve used hCG before and it never caused me issues,

That’s good then man, if you don’t get outbreaks from it then it should be fine! Especially if you take a little Accutane if you notice acne from the stack (depending on what you add) you should be able to prevent the problem from happening.

I took a look at classic physique again and men’s physique, and your right it would take high doses to look like any of the high end competitors. Throughout the years both classes have had competitors get way bigger. I guess I just want to see what I can do, ramp things up slowly and keep side effect management at the forefront of my mind. Lol using the words high end competitor were a poor choice of words on my part, I think I just meant more on the lines of somebody who could go to some of the amateur shows and do alright.

You can definitely look great with low doses, and even do well in competition. Maybe not win an overall in one year with low doses, but I’ve seen even natural guys do alright in untested leagues. I think gaining some size, then getting lean and looking comparable to decent amateur classic physique guys is totally doable!