*Anything past 24+ hours in a fast, and your natural gh levels skyrocket something wild like 1800%, which puts you in a muscle preservation mode while your body is eating your entire BMR's worth of calories + whatever exercise calories you burn + whatever stim (ie clen) burns off you.
this is incorrect.
Its popular buzz speach by the IM fasting crowd but its been disproven literally countless times in the literature.
Acute hormonal fluctuations have ZERO impact on performance metrics.
IM fasting has absolutely, unquestionably, zero benefit in fat loss beyond the caloric restriction
Your personal anecdote is first of all meaningless, your perception of what made a difference is wrong. plain and simple. if you equated calories across the week you would have seen better progress. full stop.My personal experience, and the experiences of many others, begs to differ.
like every single study that shows a benefit to intermitent fastingThere is always some kind of particular "study" missing tons of vital variables that comes along to try and disprove something.
none of which we are talking about, and none of which interact with being in a fasted state.Genetics, gear and stimulants - all critical variables missing from these studies - factor in heavily.
by not eating and taking an extremely harsh thermogenic. are you honestly surprised?But what do i know? I'm just some guy that lost over 30% bf in 18 months with minimal cardio.
Do you coach? If so, can I please sign up? You know all the secrets!My personal experience, and the experiences of many others, begs to differ.
There is always some kind of particular "study" missing tons of vital variables that comes along to try and disprove something.
Genetics, gear and stimulants - all critical variables missing from these studies - factor in heavily.
But what do i know? I'm just some guy that lost over 30% bf in 18 months with minimal cardio.
These fasting cultists are more annoying than keto people or vegans, I swear.
Oh fuck me. Don’t even get me started.But the absolute worst, are the people who drink alkaline water.
Your personal anecdote is first of all meaningless, your perception of what made a difference is wrong. plain and simple. if you equated calories across the week you would have seen better progress. full stop.
its not a matter of debate, its been studied ad-nauseum at this point.
like every single study that shows a benefit to intermitent fasting
none of which we are talking about, and none of which interact with being in a fasted state.
by not eating and taking an extremely harsh thermogenic. are you honestly surprised?
go figure, eat zero food and take dnp and you lose weight, what a revalation, the weightloss industry is saved
Right. And orals aren't a good pre workout because a scientist on a piece of paper said you have to take them for a week to feel them. Nevermind the CNS boost and most people reporting an immediate strength increase, a piece of paper written by a guy whose never been an athlete told you.
Believe what you want, i dont care to change the mind of someone stuck on a belief. I'll take consistent real life experiences and listening to my body over a chart in a very controlled study.
If I listened to half you people, id still be fat running 1g of test spinning my wheels bc "test is king and all you need to cut if your diet is good".
Foundationally people seem to over complicate things a bit. I cant speak exactly to at the end of the road min maxing but revisiting the basics first always seems to be the best approach in any situation and if you are going to test a change its best to just make 1 change, test, and see what the result is.
Obviously if you make a number of changes at once it convolutes the result and makes it harder to tell what the actual impact was.
There seems to be this push/pull between cite-able scientific research and this term 'bro science' and people tend to want to either draw a hard line between them or confuse the two.
Experience is experience, scientific tests are scientific tests, results from both are going to vary wildly based on experience and/or controls. Just because the information comes from a dude in a tank top or a dude in a lab coat it doesn't always mean either information is less valuable or incorrect it just means that their experience in their situation was different.
A lot of times it seems in this space there is a 'You should do this because I did it approach and if you don't you are stupid' versus a "This is what I did in that situation, maybe it will work for you, maybe it won't". They are both saying similar things but the way the message is conveyed and received are dramatically different. This right here is the difference between someone that is looking to help people build or someone who is using their experience to put someone else down.
What delusional crack in your stuck in first gear brain did you pull this from? has nothing to do with anything we were talking aboutRight. And orals aren't a good pre workout because a scientist on a piece of paper said you have to take them for a week to feel them. Nevermind the CNS boost and most people reporting an immediate strength increase, a piece of paper written by a guy whose never been an athlete told you.
you mean like the thousands of competitive bodybuilders that get far leaner than any intermittent fasting retard ever has, all while eating 6 meals a day and maintaining nearly all their muscle mass?Believe what you want, i dont care to change the mind of someone stuck on a belief. I'll take consistent real life experiences and listening to my body over a chart in a very controlled study.
You dont even need 1g of test, 500 is more than enough.If I listened to half you people, id still be fat running 1g of test spinning my wheels bc "test is king and all you need to cut if your diet is good".
FYI, the guy whom you're quoting in a show of support, his way of losing fat was to not eat for 48-72 hour stretches of time, while taking DNP, Primo, and Superdrol. His words, not mine.
im waiting for him to start advocating the medicinal benefits of a therapeutic dose of meth. This dude seems to be on roughly the same intellectual wavelength as the last oneFYI, the guy whom you're quoting in a show of support, his way of losing fat was to not eat for 48-72 hour stretches of time, while taking DNP, Primo, and Superdrol. His words, not mine.
Considering the only responses you are able to come up with are some level of personal attack or deliberately intended to offend Ill take that as a compliment.im waiting for him to start advocating the medicinal benefits of a therapeutic dose of meth. This dude seems to be on roughly the same intellectual wavelength as the last one
This is a place to share accurate and correct information.Is this a place to share information and better each other or a place to promote what is widely applied as the chief stereotype of the community as a whole in that people that bodybuild are a bunch of arrogant cunts.
as a community, its our obligation to correct blatantly false misinformation.One of the most common thing that gets mentioned when they interview a lot of the legends is how they would not have gotten there without the community.
im not talking about you, im talking about the guy arguing the benefits of intermittent fasting while on a ton of drugs and DNP.Considering the only responses you are able to come up with are some level of personal attack or deliberately intended to offend Ill take that as a compliment.
You are clearly one of the core reasons why the general population shits on this space.
This is a place to share accurate and correct information.
as a community, its our obligation to correct blatantly false misinformation.
when its matters of opinion its important that discussion and debate is allowed and promoted, however in instances where we are discussing matters of fact, rather than opinion, its important the only the most accurate information we are capable of producing is perpetuated, and incorrect information be corrected, so as to stop the proliferation of that bad information.
Whether its intended to me or not your approach is just basically the same as his.
if the goal is to get people to listen to you could exercise some tact, or if you are going to shit on someone for information they are operating on how about citing these common beat to shit studies you are talking about to spread education and reinforce your point?
Without citing sources, you are basically just a long ass rant and provide zero factual information aside what YOU have been operating on. Mileage may vary.