Idk just never tried it so before I hang it up I’d like to. No I don’t think it’s magic like some but I just want to see for myself and I might just be wasting money but I’m finally in a position to afford it so I’d like to try it. I’ve had the opportunity a couple times in the past to get some but wasn’t in a position to afford it.
Hey, Im assuming you've tried both Pharma and generic GH. Ive heard guys like Chase Irons saying that Pharma is so much better and others saying good generics are equal to pharma when dose equated. Whats your take on Pharma vs. generic?
I hold less water on pharma but good generics are just as good. Now if you get shit generics for cheap trying to save money you’ll probably hold a bunch of water but at the end of the day if it’s 191aa then it’s gh.
Thx for the knowledge. This will serve us well. Have a good day.
Everything I read about IGF-1, even the crazy expensive real igf-1 from a pharmacy is its effects are overbkown and it's so new no one has a clue what it can do, adversly, to the user.
Increlex isn’t new but yes it’s expensive and hard to find and everyone I talked to that’s actually used real increlex says it’s a game changer.
heard alot off guys like Chase Irons seem to say that taking a vial of sero a day is better. Whats ur take on that?
Idk but I have 4 kits of seros and 9 geno pins. I’m currently on 15iu of generics it definitely makes you full and round.
wild, u have pharma GH and take generics for the water? interesting I heard because of the larger Kda of generics they cause more water water retention, but its mostly just bloat and carpal tunnel. Guys like chase irons swear by pharma saying its so much better, is he just bullshitting? whats ur take on that? Im guessing ur running bestropin?
Im not spending 7x what it cost me for generics in the offseason I have completely changed my physique in the last 1.5yr since I’ve been able to run 5iu+ a day non stop and for the last 6 months its been 10iu+. If you eat clean, do cardio and stay lean the water retention is minimal on good genetics. I mean yea chase says that and I talk to him pretty regularly but on the flipside dr Todd Lee said he’s tested all lab markers on good generics (same as I use) vs seros at like 15-18iu a day and bloods showed no difference and water was not significantly worse. So do you believe a dr with blood work to prove no significant difference or a YouTuber that with anecdotal evidence.
hmmm, u stating u were able to get growth off of 10 iu of generics is interesting. Most on his discord shit on generics, but IDK what they're diet looks like. Im assuming u got no minimal water retention. To answer your question, i don't believe Dr. Todd Lee. hes quite unwise in saying u should get ur e2 at 100 for max IGF-1 conversion but what he's not considering is that IGF-1 BP1 is upregulated w high e2 and while you are getting more more IGF-1 on paper its all bound up and useless because of IGF-1 BP1. This is why cattle are given e2 and tren because they will get peak IGF-1 from this, whereas humans wont becacuse cattle dont have IGF-1 BP1. To add to your credit, most generics are 20 kda. Serostim and other pharma is 22kda. 80% of the GH we produce is 22 kda while the rest 20% is 20 kda. it would behoov guys that take pharma to run some generics as well to get closest bioidentical effects. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28427901/
but hats off to you for getting great growth w generics. Anything in particular you did to keep bloat down?
Don’t eat clean l, do cardio and stay hydrated. I also only salt my first 3 meals then use on no salt (potassium) on my last 3 meals.
