Israel / Hamas Conflict

[Hughinn]

It would end tmrw if Hamas surrendered.

Oh hey, there’s this whole thing about Hamas holding hostages still. Are you pretending they aren’t?

It’s one thing to point the blame with clean white gloves on, but totally different when you point the blame with bloody hands.

Nobody's hands are more bloody than Israels

And Israel could pull back it's illegal settlements and give back what it stole from the people it locked up and end this conflict too

I know I know. “What would you expect them to do when they’re in the largest prison.” And round and round we go.

Until these children Israel is bombing today grow up in an even smaller, more filthy, crowded and oppressed prison compound because Israel is going to take most of Gaza now

When those children grow up and lash out Israel will once again get all doe eyed and howling about being "victims" again and wail "they hate us because we're joos and we only want peace" and we start all over again with or without Hamas, because this isn't about Hamas, or what it's done.

It's about Israel and what it's doing

No @BigBaldBeardGuy Hamas cannot stop this....only Israel can.

They just refuse to

 

[Hughinn]

And I'll say to anybody else here that wants to recite the Washington/Tel Aviv propoganda slogan that "this could end of Hamas would surrender"

This was going on before Hamas. Because just like it's predecessors such as the PLO (Palestinian liberation organization) and FATAH (it's predecessor) they were all created in response to Israels actions and policies.

Not the other way around

As long as Israel keeps practicing it's policies of apartheid and keeps these people locked up in a prison compound, tormented and humiliated routinely, children witnessing thier parents and siblings suffering, murdered and maimed, then there's always going to be a Hamas by some name or another

So no, Hamas cannot end this, even if they surrendered today they couldn't end it

Only Israel can. And they simply don't want to

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Fuck it. It’s just repetitive nonsense at this point.

 

[Hughinn]

Imagine being this young man

You just lost everything you had to live for while hunkered down in a crowded refugee camp you were told would be safe, but the same people that lied to you and that bombed that camp were the same people that tormented and humiliated your own parents

Now they killed your children

What would you do with the rest of your life?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726635126673850862

Say fuck it?
This guy more than likely would have lived out his life happily fixing tires and selling them under a tent on the corner and raising his children

What will he become now?

What would you do?

 

[Hughinn]

Fuck it. It’s just repetitive nonsense at this point.

And as long as we tell ourselves lies....like if only Hamas would surrender this would end.... it's never going to change

Not until we're all willing to accept the truth and say only Israel can end this, because Israel started it, and perpetuates it

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

And as long as we tell ourselves lies....like if only Hamas would surrender this would end.... it's never going to change

Not until we're all willing to accept the truth and say only Israel can end this, because Israel started it, and perpetuates it

It’s fucking repetitive.

Israel didn’t start it.

The UN fucked the Palestinians when they thought it was a good idea to give people that were systematically exterminated, their own country.

The Arab countries ATTACKED Israel immediately. How do you not see THAT attack started this? Way back in 1949.

Sorry, the Arabs fucking lost and Israel survived. Had the Arabs won, perhaps it would be very different now. But they lost.

So boo fucking hoo for the Palestinians.

 

[Hughinn]

It’s fucking repetitive.

Israel didn’t start it.

The UN fucked the Palestinians when they thought it was a good idea to give people that were systematically exterminated, their own country.

The Arab countries ATTACKED Israel immediately. How do you not see THAT attack started this? Way back in 1949.

This started it in 1948

When Israel stole the homes of 700-800k Palestinians who fled a war zone because Israel told them to evacuate, then confiscated their property and refused to let them return

The people in Gaza today are the great grandchildren of this Israeli policies

The Nakba: how the Palestinians were expelled from Israel

The village of Lajjun, near Nazareth, which was destroyed in 1948 to make room for a kibbutz is a microcosm of the catastrophe that still affects Palestinians 75 years later.

theconversation.com

Sorry, the Arabs fucking lost and Israel survived. Had the Arabs won, perhaps it would be very different now. But they lost.

So boo fucking hoo for the Palestinians.

Yes, Israel started the Palestinian problem by stealing from them

Lying about it does not help

That government in Israel are not hapless victims, or doe eyed innocent bystanders trying to make peace like the part they play in fawning for US government handouts

They're an apartheid ethno nationalist/supremest regime bent on the ethnic cleansing of it's claimed territory

 

[Hughinn]

And here's why Oct 7 will happen again

It isn't because of Hamas

It's because of Israel

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1723909046258765957

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726514530816020589

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726643675093201234

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726641192820154593

 

[Hughinn]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726632975197171875

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726642152011362641

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726637739494547783

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726584038184693813

Don't let anyone tell you "it's Hamas fault"

Israel made the decision to bomb these people

These are not innocent civilians caught in the crossfire of a firefight with a force determined to isolate a target and the target itself

This is indescriminary bombing of a civilian population to terrorize them and get them to flee so Israel can claim their land

 

[Hughinn]

Imagine being this young man

You just lost everything you had to live for while hunkered down in a crowded refugee camp you were told would be safe, but the same people that lied to you and that bombed that camp were the same people that tormented and humiliated your own parents

Now they killed your children

What would you do with the rest of your life?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726635126673850862

Say fuck it?
This guy more than likely would have lived out his life happily fixing tires and selling them under a tent on the corner and raising his children

What will he become now?

What would you do?

This is to say, Hamas doesn't create these terrorists

Israel creates them

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

the title of this thread should be “Cry for Palestine”

 

[Hughinn]

the title of this thread should be “Cry for Palestine”

Or cry for the hundreds of fleeing Israeli's that were mowed down by thier own military, just so Israel could blame it on Hamas

Israel admits burning hundreds of people on 7 October

Spokesman Mark Regev's statement adds to mounting evidence that on 7 October Israeli forces went on an indiscriminate shooting rampage.

electronicintifada.net

Because, ya know all that "burned babies" BS?

Yeah, Israel did that.

Oops

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Or cry for the hundreds of fleeing Israeli's that were mowed down by thier own military, just so Israel could blame it on Hamas

Israel admits burning hundreds of people on 7 October

Spokesman Mark Regev's statement adds to mounting evidence that on 7 October Israeli forces went on an indiscriminate shooting rampage.

electronicintifada.net

The electronicINTIFADA.net seems like a reliable source.

You've gone full crazy with this @Hughinn The guy that posted in the Ukraine thread never would have cited a source soooooo obviously biased.

 

[Hughinn]

The electronicINTIFADA.net seems like a reliable source.

You've gone full crazy with this @Hughinn The guy that posted in the Ukraine thread never would have cited a source soooooo obviously biased.

Unless you missed it, the Israeli government itself quietly admitted it

I know Israel can do no wrong to you, because, you know they're all just peace loving innocent victims

But when the IDF itself is forced to admit something, I think you can believe it

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Unless you missed it, the Israeli government itself quietly admitted it

I know Israel can do no wrong to you, because, you know they're all just peace loving innocent victims

But when the IDF itself is forced to admit something, I think you can believe it

So why are you using electronicintifada?

I know why, you START there with their propaganda and then you use the Google to prove it correct. That’s the crazy part. You spend an inordinate amount of time on these websites that NOBODY would ever say is legitimate. That’s not “doing your own research”. It’s taking someone else’s crazy writings and trying to legitimize it by any means possible.

 

[Hughinn]

So why are you using electronicintifada?

I know why, you START there with their propaganda and then you use the Google to prove it correct. That’s the crazy part. You spend an inordinate amount of time on these websites that NOBODY would ever say is legitimate. That’s not “doing your own research”. It’s taking someone else’s crazy writings and trying to legitimize it by any means possible.

Does Hamas own attack helicopters? Precision guided munitions?
Heavy artillery?

Could Hamas have laid waste like that?

The only people denying it, are CNN MSNBC and mainstream media.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative/

Israel Admits Apache Helicopters Fired On Civilians at The Supernova Music Festival — News From The Perimeter

(Chaz Anon) First-hand accounts from witnesses of Israel’s clash with Hamas militants on October 7th suggests that, in their desperation to contain the surprise incursion, Israeli troops indiscriminately fired on their own citizens with heavy weaponry, resulting in potentially scores of Israeli deat

www.newsfromtheperimeter.com

New evidence that IDF shelled Israeli citizens on Oct. 7, killing over a hundred - Middle East Observer

Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the October 7 Hamas surprise attack on settlements in the vicinity of Gaza add to growing evidence that the Israeli military killed its own citizens as they fought [ More ... ]

middleeastobserver.org

Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza

Amnesty International has documented damning evidence of war crimes.

www.amnesty.org

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Does Hamas own attack helicopters? Precision guided munitions?
Heavy artillery?

Could Hamas have laid waste like that?

The only people denying it, are CNN MSNBC and mainstream media.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative/

Israel Admits Apache Helicopters Fired On Civilians at The Supernova Music Festival — News From The Perimeter

(Chaz Anon) First-hand accounts from witnesses of Israel’s clash with Hamas militants on October 7th suggests that, in their desperation to contain the surprise incursion, Israeli troops indiscriminately fired on their own citizens with heavy weaponry, resulting in potentially scores of Israeli deat

www.newsfromtheperimeter.com

New evidence that IDF shelled Israeli citizens on Oct. 7, killing over a hundred - Middle East Observer

Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the October 7 Hamas surprise attack on settlements in the vicinity of Gaza add to growing evidence that the Israeli military killed its own citizens as they fought [ More ... ]

middleeastobserver.org

Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza

Amnesty International has documented damning evidence of war crimes.

www.amnesty.org

Did you read your first article? The one from middleeastmonitor.com? It states "Testimonies of eye witnesses and Israeli sources compiled by The Grayzone..."

So it's an article referring to work done by "The Grayzone", which is "an American fringe, far-left news website and blog.

Far-left???

Is this really @Hughinn? Why would a "Far-left" news website take the side of the Palestinians if this is all part of a massive Jewish lobby conspiracy??? And when did @Hughinn switch teams and start playing on the "Far-left" side?

 

[Hughinn]

Did you read your first article? The one from middleeastmonitor.com? It states "Testimonies of eye witnesses and Israeli sources compiled by The Grayzone..."

So it's an article referring to work done by "The Grayzone", which is "an American fringe, far-left news website and blog.

Far-left???

Is this really @Hughinn? Why would a "Far-left" news website take the side of the Palestinians if this is all part of a massive Jewish lobby conspiracy??? And when did @Hughinn switch teams and start playing on the "Far-left" side?

In other words, eyewitness don't count unless they say what you want?

Put it to simple logic man

Hamas doesn't have attack helicopters

How did the hundreds of cars get blown up leaving the rave?

These people claiming to have seen what they describe answers alot of logic questions that so far are ignored by Israeli news sources, who by the way, speaking of Israeli sources are known to lie, cover up and even fabricate bullshit

If you don't want to believe it fine, I couldn't care less

And I'll tell you something else, the ignorant mfers running here beating the war drums for Israel are no better than the far left

Israel is not a victim in this conflict, it's the belligerent

Murdering thousands of civilians and children is not acceptable

An apartheid ethno nationalist state that locks up millions of people is creating it's own misery

 

[Test_subject]

In other words, eyewitness don't count unless they say what you want?

I’ve given up on this thread for the most part, but eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable for a variety of reasons that have to do with how human perception and psychology work.

And that’s “under oath” testimony. Eye witness testimony not given under oath by unvetted witnesses is even less reliable.

 

[Hughinn]

I’ve given up on this thread for the most part, but eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable for a variety of reasons that have to do with how human perception and psychology work.

And that’s “under oath” testimony. Eye witness testimony not given under oath by unvetted witnesses is even less reliable.

Well, we'll see

It only took twenty years before Israel admitted to sinking a US naval vessel with hundreds of Americans on board and Washington helping them lie about it and cover it up because of antisemitism and because Israel is just a helpless victim ya know

Hamas doesn't have helicopters and precision munitions or even extremely powerful explosives like those that wrecked that line of fleeing cars

But you go ahead and keep howling victim and justify the collective punishment and murder Israel is carrying out and ignoring them trying to bait America into another war on its behalf