Israel / Hamas Conflict

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But you go ahead and keep howling victim and justify the collective punishment and murder Israel is carrying out and ignoring them trying to bait America into another war on its behalf
Wut?

When did I do that?
 

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I mean hell, it not like Israel would deliberately lie about killing civilians, even it's own

Or lie about deliberately trying to provoke the US into war

Not after being caught doing both with absolutely no repercussion at all
 

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In other words, eyewitness don't count unless they say what you want?
“eyewitness” same as “experts say” same as “a source close to”.

Add “numerous others” to that list. 🤣
 

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I mean hell, it not like Israel would deliberately lie about killing civilians, even it's own

Or lie about deliberately trying to provoke the US into war

Not after being caught doing both with absolutely no repercussion at all

"No repercussion" is the key here IMO.

We decide when killing is justified or not justified, or when it doesn't matter altogether. Israel is justified, while Russia is not. Wars in places like Sudan and Myanmar don't matter at all to these people.

Context is also intentionally left out. We tried our hardest to punish Russia for its "unprovoked war of aggression" against Ukraine even though that characterization is not truly accurate. Now we give Israel a free pass to kill civilians while not showing the conflict in an accurate light.
 

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If you want to know how all this started, read the Bible.
If you want to know how all this ends, read the Bible.
Carry on now…

Do you really believe that?

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Because genetically speaking, the descendants of the ancient Hebrews (biblical Jews) are the Palestinians and Arabic Jews


And you know who isn't?

The Ashkenazi Jews, who aren't even Jewish by their own definition,.

"You're only Jewish if your mother was Jewish"

Their maternal DNA isn't even semitic, much less Hebrew.

And their paternal DNA has a common middle East admixture found in Greece, Italy and Macedonia, not Israel

And they are easily 85%+ of the Zionist Jews in Israel


So you might want to really figure out what exactly you think you believe and just what the fuck you're doing about it and why

I'd really like to hear it.

I've read the Bible cover to cover more than once, so enlighten me. Because I cannot see the God of the covenant and of Moses who begged God to spare those people and led them to that land guided by God, would see them murdered, subjugated, tortured and driven from that land by imposters all while being cheered on and blindly supported by those who call themselves Christian

But maybe you know something I'm not seeing and cam explain why so many Christians support this evil.
 
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"No repercussion" is the key here IMO.

We decide when killing is justified or not justified, or when it doesn't matter altogether. Israel is justified, while Russia is not. Wars in places like Sudan and Myanmar don't matter at all to these people.

Context is also intentionally left out. We tried our hardest to punish Russia for its "unprovoked war of aggression" against Ukraine even though that characterization is not truly accurate. Now we give Israel a free pass to kill civilians while not showing the conflict in an accurate light.

Exactly

And most of these people you see that fanatically support Israel are just that.

Heavily indoctrinated and blind to the reality of the situation.

Just like all those people with ukranian flags in their bios and beating the war drums for that war.

Like some people here said, a few years from now you won't admit supporting the Ukraine war. One of the loudest proponents already slunk away in shame

This blind support of Israel is going to wind up the same way.

As an American, I want no part of Israel the political entity in the Eastern Mediterranean. But I also want people who choose to practice Judaism to be treated just like Christians, Muslims, or fukkin Buddhist and pagan people. All the same.... your religion is a personal matter of your choice.... nothing more.

Doesn't count for you.... doesn't count against you.
 

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Just like all those people with ukranian flags in their bios and beating the war drums for that war.

Like some people here said, a few years from now you won't admit supporting the Ukraine war. One of the loudest proponents already slunk away in shame

This blind support of Israel is going to wind up the same way.

Do you really think this is true?

A lot of people support Israel because of their religious beliefs and Biblical interpretations. I honestly believe Israel could use tactical nuclear weapons in this conflict and have the full support of that crowd. Which seems to be a larger percentage of the U.S. than most people want to admit.
 

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Do you really think this is true?

A lot of people support Israel because of their religious beliefs and Biblical interpretations. I honestly believe Israel could use tactical nuclear weapons in this conflict and have the full support of that crowd. Which seems to be a larger percentage of the U.S. than most people want to admit.

I do think it's true

Because as you point out, a large number of Americans support the state of Israel for religious beliefs and others for ethnic tribalist reasons.

And neither of those really stand up to scrutiny or analysis.

That's why I'm curious to hear from Christian Americans like @Obscured78

Because in my opinion, the argument of support for Israel, the political institution as we see it today in the state of Israel is not the same as Israel spiritually in their holy book

The Bible says God gave the land of Levant under the promise of the covenant to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Joshua. That is to say, the Hebrews. He said nothing about political institutions or religious dogmas

Well, DNA doesn't lie, and the modern descendants of the ancient Hebrews are undeniably the Palestinians and Arab Jews. And not necessarily the Ashkenazi Jews of central Europe that are currently murdering and displacing them.

According to the prophecy in the books of Daniel and Revelations "all the nations of the world will unite against the children of Israel and wars and rumors of wars will dominate the kingdoms of the earth"

Well, you've got the richest most powerful nations on Earth cooperating with what could easily qualify as "those who say they are Jews, but do lie" in the Ashkenazi. And they're united in helping them literally destroy and genocide the descendants of the ancient Hebrews.....I.E , the children of Israel: the Palestinians

I understand the American Jews supporting Israel for tribalist reasons. I understand it. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

I don't understand American Christian people fanatically supporting the political state of Israel when just some very simple questions and research of thier own scriptures show the catastrophic error in such thinking.

Especially when American Christian people of the Early 1900s would have definitely understood exactly what I'm saying and not supported any of this, especially an ethnic apartheid state of Ashkenazi Jews like modern Israel.

There's no question here as those Christians back then refused to even let them into America, much less support thier own ethno nationalist apartheid state

It would have made their blood boil

So what changed?

I have yet to get a coherent answer from any Christian
 

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I mean if I look at it and try to put myself in the mind of a devout Christian, these Rothschild's, Schiff and Netenyahu people, these are the modern day pharaisees Jesus warned you about.

"Those who seek to create a kingdom of man, and not of God"

This political state of Israel that's exterminating the Palestinians, which are the actual descendants of Hebrews are the ones Daniel and Revelations warned you about as "those who say they are jews, but do lie"

And the end times when Satan, the father of all liars will have much of the world decided.... well, look around you..

It's time for the American Christian people to ask themselves exactly what they really believe
 

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The United States of America has historically been one of Israel’s most faithful allies, and God’s promise to Abraham, “I will bless those who bless you” (Genesis 12:3a), has resulted in America’s success. But if America turns its back on Israel, it will lose God’s favor: “Whoever curses you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3b).
 

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The United States of America has historically been one of Israel’s most faithful allies, and God’s promise to Abraham, “I will bless those who bless you” (Genesis 12:3a), has resulted in America’s success. But if America turns its back on Israel, it will lose God’s favor: “Whoever curses you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3b).

Thank you for the reply

This topic interests me and I have a lot of questions about it and few answers.

First, it's clear that modern DNA shows the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Joshua, that is to say, the ancient Hebrews are the Palestinians and the separdic or Arabic Jews

See here


They are the literal descendants of those individuals God made the promise of covenant to in Genesis

DNA doesn't lie, even if history does

Next, question

The modern political state of Israel is dominated and controlled by Ashkenazi Jews.

Ashkenazi Jews, are not technically even Jewish by their own definition (your not Jewish unless your mother was Jewish) and certainly not Hebrew by hereditary ancestry

As thier maternal DNA isn't even semitic, much less Hebrew

See here


And here you see, thier paternal DNA is typical of populations in Greece, Italy, Macedonia and Turky and not Hebrew either
See below

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)01378-2?_returnURL=https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0092867422013782?showall=true

So when you say, American Christian people are in support of Israel because of the promise to Abraham and his descendants, then that's ass backwards from reality, as the descendants of Abraham are the Palestinians, NOT the Ashkenazi Jews that are currently murdering thousands of them to take the levant from them.

The "nation of Israel" was the Hebrew people wasn't it? The land of the covenant is the levant isn't it?

The modern political state of Israel is actually not a nation of the Hebrew people and is simply placed in part of the Levant geographically and has no bearing or relation whatsoever to God's description of the nation of Israel, which is the Hebrew people

So can you explain this to me?

The way it looks in reality is totally backwards from what I see in Christian scriptures

And what I know of the old testament, the children of Abraham, Isaac and Joshua are being murdered by the imposters spoke of in revelations 3:9

And what I know of the New testament is that Jesus was not accepted by the Ashkenazi and therefore have no claim to the promise of covenant even by faith, much less heredity.

And besides, there's no way the Jesus of the new testament would support the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Zionist state against anybody, much less the actual descendants of the ancient Hebrews

So, if you can, please explain to me why American Christian people support the current government of Israel
 
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And you know who isn't?

The Ashkenazi Jews, who aren't even Jewish by their own definition,.

"You're only Jewish if your mother was Jewish"
I’ve already explained this to you. Can you stop with the nonsense?

A Jew is anyone who is Jewish according to Halacha (religious law). That can mean converts, who are going to obviously be genetically distinct, or any other group. There are Jewish groups all over the world with distinct genetic identities that don’t derive from the near east.

You’re conflating having Levantine genetics with Jewishness.
 

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Is this entire thread the same 5 posts over, and over, and over, and over again, over 1,000 times? 🤔
If someone says the thing in just the right way, we’ll have peace in the Near East. They just have to unlock the mystic linguistic code of the ancients.

It might take 20000 pages, but I’m confident that we’ll get there.
 

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I’ve already explained this to you. Can you stop with the nonsense?

A Jew is anyone who is Jewish according to Halacha (religious law). That can mean converts, who are going to obviously be genetically distinct, or any other group. There are Jewish groups all over the world with distinct genetic identities that don’t derive from the near east.

You’re conflating having Levantine genetics with Jewishness.

I remember

And I'm not trying to argue the modern politically correct definition of what or who a Jew is

I accepted your definition and respect it

I'm asking for an explanation from a Christian perspective and reference to Scripture why they support the political state of Israel and the genocide/ethnic cleansing of the descendants of the ancient Hebrews. The literal great grandchildren of Abraham Isaac and Joshua

In Christian scriptures this was a promise said to the descendants of the Hebrew people, it doesn't say "Jews" however we want to define that

I live in the deep south around a lot of devout Christian Americans and most seemingly have logical reasons or explanation for it
 

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You keep saying the American Christian. Not every American is Christian. Also, not every person (American or not) that says they are a Christian is actually a Christian. I can’t speak for all these people you keep referring to as American Christians.
You say the current Palestinians are the descendants of Abraham so the promise is actually for them… are the Palestinians Jewish? Rhetorical question, they are not.
The people of Israel have always been God’s chosen people, even though they rejected Jesus. Scripture is clear though that they will come back to Him.
When Israel became a nation again in 1948 it fulfilled prophecy and began the clock for end times. All eyes should be on Jerusalem, it is center stage for every thing.
 

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When Israel became a nation again in 1948 it fulfilled prophecy and began the clock for end times. All eyes should be on Jerusalem, it is center stage for every thing

So this is what it's about, right?

If Israel is destroyed, the. Jesus isn't coming back anytime soon?
 

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And I'm not trying to argue the modern politically correct definition of what or who a Jew is

I accepted your definition and respect it
It’s not a new definition. That has been the definition of Jewishness since the Shulchan Aruch in the 1500s.

Before then, actually, but that was when the definition was officially codified.
 

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