Larry Wheels Quit Steroids

[TeddyBear]

I’ll watch later.

 

[hard_gains]

I’ll watch later.

I figured he was going on trt. He has only been on a blast since he turned 18.

 

[RiR0]

This is the same guy that testosterone over 500mg a week is a waste
Watch he’s going natural and next he’s going to push some trash supplement

 

[iGone]

This is the same guy that testosterone over 500mg a week is a waste
Watch he’s going natural and next he’s going to push some trash supplement

Has he done much monetization of himself to this point?
I don't follow him much, but as far as I knew he was always one of the few to not be constantly promoting something. Maybe he's changed though.

Sorry to derail

 

[Badleroybrown]

He does make a great point. When you have someone that comes off of drugs and really cycles off they will lose alot if there gains. Especially strength..
But when you stay on a trt dose it is a fact that you don’t take such a beating when it comes to strength and size..

RIro. And I am far off the mark saying this.?

 

[RiR0]

He does make a great point. When you have someone that comes off of drugs and really cycles off they will lose alot if there gains. Especially strength..
But when you stay on a trt dose it is a fact that you don’t take such a beating when it comes to strength and size..

RIro. And I am far off the mark saying this.?

Yeah you’ll maintain more on trt for a certain amount of time.

 

[silentlemon1011]

He does make a great point. When you have someone that comes off of drugs and really cycles off they will lose alot if there gains. Especially strength..
But when you stay on a trt dose it is a fact that you don’t take such a beating when it comes to strength and size..

RIro. And I am far off the mark saying this.?

All i heard was
"Lemon, super cruise is an awesome idea"

I agree

 

[SFGiants]

He does make a great point. When you have someone that comes off of drugs and really cycles off they will lose alot if there gains. Especially strength..
But when you stay on a trt dose it is a fact that you don’t take such a beating when it comes to strength and size..

RIro. And I am far off the mark saying this.?

Size comes from the kitchen, more kitchen more size, mores size more strength.

Steroids give a push, boost, utilizes food better (especially tren), faster recovery and much other stuff but gains is the kitchen, strength the gym.

People tend to think they lose a lot of hard work coming off but the truth is they cut calories too much when they do, it will be harder work but you can maintain and gain lowering dosages and such.

No powerlifter or bodybuilder stays full blown cycle unless stupid, most that know their craft still gain no matter if it's blast, cruse or trt. It just becomes harder! They keep training and nutrition where it needs to be.

 

[RiR0]

Size comes from the kitchen, more kitchen more size, mores size more strength.

Steroids give a push, boost, utilizes food better (especially tren), faster recovery and much other stuff but gains is the kitchen, strength the gym.

People tend to think they lose a lot of hard work coming off but the truth is they cut calories too much when they do, it will be harder work but you can maintain and gain lowering dosages and such.

No powerlifter or bodybuilder stays full blown cycle unless stupid, most that know their craft still gain no matter if it's blast, cruse or trt. It just becomes harder! They keep training and nutrition where it needs to be.

You can only maintain so long after you come off before you start regressing.
Nobody is maintaining 300lbs lean on low doses for more than a month or 2 for example.
After so long you won’t continue to gain even on trt.
After so long you won’t even continue to maintain on trt.
Ive know quite a few competitors and most of big guys are maybe doing trt or for 4-6 weeks.
It’s usually growth phase/maintenance/and fatloss phase repeat.
You can’t continue to push the food high enough and utilize it without getting fat without the drugs.
Nobody is getting massive on low to moderate doses besides genetic freaks

 

[RiR0]

Let’s not down play the role the drugs play

 

[RiR0]

One of the most honest posts I’ve ever seen is on ProMuscle. It was titled “so sick of this here’s the truth”

 

[SFGiants]

You can only maintain so long after you come off before you start regressing.
Nobody is maintaining 300lbs lean on low doses for more than a month or 2 for example.
After so long you won’t continue to gain even on trt.
After so long you won’t even continue to maintain on trt.
Ive know quite a few competitors and most of big guys are maybe doing trt or for 4-6 weeks.
It’s usually growth phase/maintenance/and fatloss phase repeat.
You can’t continue to push the food high enough and utilize it without getting fat without the drugs.
Nobody is getting massive on low to moderate doses besides genetic freaks

I can agree when it comes to extreme gains but gym rat gains I don't see the same way.

I've been 285lb, not even close anymore though.

I guess it all depends on the level the lifter is at, most aren't at a high level.

I did blast, cruise and trt and kept going but never came off, never stayed trt too long and cruise was 500mg a week.

Most seem to be under 200lbs is why I stated all that.

 

[SFGiants]

I hate under 200lbs calling it hard gainer, non eater is how I see it.

Yes to get to 285lbs, it was food and drugs, no down playing that but these new guys and typical gym rats just aren't there.

 

[RiR0]

I can agree when it comes to extreme gains but gym rat gains I don't see the same way.

I've been 285lb, not even close anymore though.

I guess it all depends on the level the lifter is at, most aren't at a high level.

I did blast, cruise and trt and kept going but never came off, never stayed trt too long and cruise was 500mg a week.

Most seem to be under 200lbs is why I stated all that.

I gotcha. Yeah I completely agree. Hell most people shouldn’t even use drugs at the size they are. It’s sad they needed drugs to look like a natural who lifts sometimes

 

[SFGiants]

I gotcha. Yeah I completely agree. Hell most people shouldn’t even use drugs at the size they are. It’s sad they needed drugs to look like a natural who lifts sometimes

I don't know how to even talk the these guys anymore, we were a hardcore powerlifting board for years but named it Bodybuilding to draw more people, it worked but now it's less of a serious lifter board and more troll and new lifters.

So I just keep it as that and not teach too much what I did to the new unless they call 250mg a fucking 1st cycle lol.

We don't want them thinking drugs, drugs, drugs before eat, train and sleep.

I think we need to provide a balance I suppose, it's too dangerous for them to do as I did and I wasn't even that bad, actually got smarter and smarter watching some friends and teammate ruin themselves, some for life.

This is why I like you guys yelling at these fools at times, they have no clue until it's too late.

 

[RiR0]

Like seeing guys proud of their geared up 225lb bench press.
People will get confused by what I say sometimes because I’m addressing different demographics.
On one hand I’ve seen the guy who isn’t taking enough drugs that would benefit from the high doses because he’s beating himself in the ground in the gym training like a gun is to his head pounding the food consistently and stuck. But still keeps running the same 500mg test and 400deca and wonders why he’s stuck.

On the other hand the most common is seeing the guy who doesn’t train hard and might stick to his diet a few weeks or a day of at all but wondering why he’s not growing so he’s looking at drugs as the answer.

These guys would not and should not get the same advice

 

[SFGiants]

Like seeing guys proud of their geared up 225lb bench press.
People will get confused by what I say sometimes because I’m addressing different demographics.
On one hand I’ve seen the guy who isn’t taking enough drugs that would benefit from the high doses because he’s beating himself in the ground in the gym training like a gun is to his head pounding the food consistently and stuck. But still keeps running the same 500mg test and 400deca and wonders why he’s stuck.

On the other hand the most common is seeing the guy who doesn’t train hard and might stick to his diet a few weeks or a day of at all but wondering why he’s not growing so he’s looking at drugs as the answer.

These guys would not and should not get the same advice

Exactly, we had women squat up to 400lbs one raw at 123lbs 400lbs plus , what are most men squatting in a gym?

But we all started off lost!

 

[SFGiants]

We had our own gym, if it was a training day and Christmas we would get up extra early to train before the kids woke up.

Gains are hard as fuck, all it takes is too much time off or cutting calories too long to fall backwards, I did what it took to keep going even if it meant the weight felt so much heavier on a short trt or cruise.

I will always remember how coming off NNP every single time how much heavier the same weight felt and how slower reps got, but we didn't lower the weight we fought harder.

 

[RiR0]

You can only maintain so long after you come off before you start regressing.
Nobody is maintaining 300lbs lean on low doses for more than a month or 2 for example.
After so long you won’t continue to gain even on trt.
After so long you won’t even continue to maintain on trt.
Ive know quite a few competitors and most of big guys are maybe doing trt or for 4-6 weeks.
It’s usually growth phase/maintenance/and fatloss phase repeat.
You can’t continue to push the food high enough and utilize it without getting fat without the drugs.
Nobody is getting massive on low to moderate doses besides genetic freaks

It’s funny Valdosta liked this post but he dismissed

Like seeing guys proud of their geared up 225lb bench press.
People will get confused by what I say sometimes because I’m addressing different demographics.
On one hand I’ve seen the guy who isn’t taking enough drugs that would benefit from the high doses because he’s beating himself in the ground in the gym training like a gun is to his head pounding the food consistently and stuck. But still keeps running the same 500mg test and 400deca and wonders why he’s stuck.

On the other hand the most common is seeing the guy who doesn’t train hard and might stick to his diet a few weeks or a day of at all but wondering why he’s not growing so he’s looking at drugs as the answer.

These guys would not and should not get the same advice

@Valdosta you’re the guy who is the most common the one who’s not even utilizing the drugs you’re taking.

I was going to make another but it has no place here because dumbasses like Valdosta will use it as validation and miss the point completely

 

[Valdosta]

It’s funny Valdosta liked this post but he dismissed

@Valdosta you’re the guy who is the most common the one who’s not even utilizing the drugs you’re taking.

I was going to make another but it has no place here because dumbasses like Valdosta will use it as validation and miss the point completely

u kinda capped out 10 years ago. why not just cruise now?