My opinion on protein intake has changed

[CJ]

What I used to think was plenty for protein intake, 1 gram per lb of bodyweight, I now think should be the minimum, based upon newer research.

Give this a watch, let me know what you think...

 

[Send0]

What I used to think was plenty for protein intake, 1 gram per lb of bodyweight, I now think should be the minimum, based upon newer research.

Give this a watch, let me know what you think...

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I already agree without even having watched the video.

 

[CJ]

I already agree without even having watched the video.

Before I was of the opinion that it couldn't hurt to consume more, and that it possibly might help.

I've now shifted slightly to, a little more is better, but make sure you at least hit that 1g/lb.

Looking back at my own person data, I've usually been in the 1.25-1.35 g/lb range, anyway, so it's not going to change the way I eat, but rather what I recommend to others.

 

[Send0]

Before I was of the opinion that it couldn't hurt to consume more, and that it possibly might help.

I've now shifted slightly to, a little more is better, but make sure you at least hit that 1g/lb.

Looking back at my own person data, I've usually been in the 1.25-1.35 g/lb range, anyway, so it's not going to change the way I eat, but rather what I recommend to others.

Lately I've been getting close to 1.5g protein per lb/bw... mostly because I've been going to protein when I get snackish. Before that I was between 1.25g and 1.3g.

I had no logic to this other than I had calories I needed to fill, and that I didn't see more protein as being a negative.

I absolutely cannot tell you if it's resulted in more muscle gain, but visually i do think it's kept me looking slightly leaner while at maintenance

 

[GreatGunz]

I gain best at 2 grams per pound.Always have.
But also the more protein you take in the more calcium you need as well.

 

[snake]

What I think gets lost here is factoring in the lean weight. If you go by the straight grams/bodyweight that mean if someone puts on 40 lbs of fat, they need 60 grams more of protein using the 1.5g/BW standard. That doesn't make sense.

At 215 lbs and not fluffy, I am good with 200-220 grams of protein a day.

 

[GreatGunz]

Always off lean weight…..

 

[CJ]

I gain best at 2 grams per pound.Always have.
But also the more protein you take in the more calcium you need as well.

What's the connection, there?

I understand calcium's role in muscle contraction, but I'm unaware why one would need more if protein intake is higher?

 

[CJ]

What I think gets lost here is factoring in the lean weight. If you go by the straight grams/bodyweight that mean if someone puts on 40 lbs of fat, they need 60 grams more of protein using the 1.5g/BW standard. That doesn't make sense.

At 215 lbs and not fluffy, I am good with 200-220 grams of protein a day.

I don't even acknowledge fatties's existence.

 

[buck]

I have considered 1 gram to be the minimum for decent growth for decades but not optimal growth. From most of my reading these days 1.2 grams seems to be the least amount those wishing for optimal growth should take in. Personally, i have made my best growth with 1.5 grams of quality protein. When factoring in aminos from all sources including plats i was more around 1.75 grams. Even higher amounts may be better but i have no personal experience with that. I can do maintenance on lower doses, but optimal growth is a different thing.
I saw a Soviet study in the 90's that was done earlier that showed even at 3 grams their athletes could be in a negative nitrogen balance.

 

[eazy]

but paul carter says .7-.8 is all I need....

 

[Send0]

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but paul carter says .7-.8 is all I need....

I like Paul Carter, but he also says things that don't make sense and contradicts himself. Then gets mad at commenters who ask for clarification, as if it's their fault that he didn't explain things 100% clearly .

On tangent, but not relevant. Paul Carter threw a tantrum over losing followers. Said followers left because he's a big Trump guy. His followers are dumb for leaving just because of that, and Paul Carter is dumb for crying about it.

 

[eazy]

don't make sense and contradicts himself.

the way he explained it the last time he was on tate's table talk was gets new information, changes his old thoughts.

it sounded reasonable.

gets mad at commenters who ask for clarification

I've watched this in his comments develop a few times.
a person asks a me question not a we question.
tells them it requires you to experiment and find what's best for you, it's individual, here are some parameters to start within.
goes left as they keep asking a different version of the same question and he loses patience.

 

[Send0]

the way he explained it the last time he was on tate's table talk was gets new information, changes his old thoughts.

it sounded reasonable.

I'm referring to when he contradicts himself within the same video. He does it commonly, but maybe it's because he's just not great at explaining himself in short format videos... which is mostly where I see this kind of thing.

I've watched this in his comments develop a few times.
a person asks a me question not a we question.
tells them it requires you to experiment and find what's best for you, it's individual, here are some parameters to start within.
goes left as they keep asking a different version of the same question and he loses patience.

He definitely has very little patience. And he definitely does it with "we" questions too (because his explanations are not always as good as he thinks they are).

What I notice is that if he just doesn't like a question, he will start calling people idiots. It's not just when people ask the same question over and over. Besides, even if it is repeat questions that triggers him then he could just choose not to answer it.

I really like Paul Carter a lot, but sometimes he just sounds like a whining bitch to me.

 

[CJ]

I just wish Paul Carter would stop interrupting/talking over Chris on their podcast. It's fucking annoying!!!

 

[GreatGunz]

What's the connection, there?

I understand calcium's role in muscle contraction, but I'm unaware why one would need more if protein intake is higher?

The more protein u in take the higher the impact on calcium.
Protein is grams calcium loss is milligrams,Partly responsible for joint aches etc…..
I’ll try to find the original article.
Gram/ milligrams doesn’t sound like much but over time ……

 

[CJ]

The more protein u in take the higher the impact on calcium.
Protein is grams calcium loss is milligrams,Partly responsible for joint aches etc…..
I’ll try to find the original article.
Gram/ milligrams doesn’t sound like much but over time ……

Please do, because I'm not following you.

 

[GreatGunz]

Ok I’ll find it but calcium is used for contraction of muscle breaking down acids in the body etc.
It plays a part in everything our lifestyle takes.

 

[CJ]

Ok I’ll find it but calcium is used for contraction of muscle breaking down acids in the body etc.
It plays a part in everything our lifestyle takes.

Yes, in aware of it's role in muscle contraction. I'm just not aware of its role in protein intake. I've started looking, as I'm interested, so far I'm at this...

Protein intake, calcium balance and health consequences - PubMed

High-protein (HP) diets exert a hypercalciuric effect at constant levels of calcium intake, even though the effect may depend on the nature of the dietary protein. Lower urinary pH is also consistently observed for subjects consuming HP diets. The combination of these two effects was suspected...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[GreatGunz]

Every 50 grams of protein u take in excess of normal daily requirements you excrete 25-30 mg in urine