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Hi I’m new here but have found a lot of good info lurking the last couple days

I’ve been competing in mma for about a year now and but have been doing strength training for a couple years atp

Pretty much everyone at the amateur scene is sauced up because of how lackadaisical testing is and I did my first cycle this summer

Wasn’t anything crazy 300mg of test e a week for 8 weeks switching to prop at the end of the cycle to make pct easier, started at 6ft1 210 lbs at 16%bf, ended up at 215 at 14% at a slight surplus

My cardio took a bit of a hit but recovered as soon as I ended the cycle, my question is if anyone has any experience with masteron or winstrol in combat sports, as I think I’d like to include that in my next cycle
 

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Why do you want to add Mast/Winny? What do they bring to the table?
 
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Why do you want to add Mast/Winny? What do they bring to the table?
Cutting subq water weight without totally depleting carbs or being dehydrated during a weight cut, as well as any potential strength gains without gaining excess size
 

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Cutting subq water weight without totally depleting carbs or being dehydrated during a weight cut, as well as any potential strength gains without gaining excess size

Why would you have any notable subcutaneous water weight? You won't have that issue unless something out of the ordinary happens, large a large bolus of sodium.

Most of the subcutaneous water is in fat cells. You want to lose the water, lose the fat.

And I wouldn't fuck around with diuretics either, before a fight. The fluid shifts could really hamper your performance.
 
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I don't have like an abnormal amount of excess water weight, but I see your point about just losing the fat being the best way forward

Generally guys cut out carbs and salt a week before the fight to drop the last 10lbs of water, cutting carbs though hampers performance significantly and being able to lose some of that water with carbs still in my system would be great

Am not planning on using diuretics any time soon, we had a guy puking his guts out from dandelion milk or something trying to make weight for his first pro fight, was a disaster
 

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I don't have like an abnormal amount of excess water weight, but I see your point about just losing the fat being the best way forward

Generally guys cut out carbs and salt a week before the fight to drop the last 10lbs of water, cutting carbs though hampers performance significantly and being able to lose some of that water with carbs still in my system would be great

Am not planning on using diuretics any time soon, we had a guy puking his guts out from dandelion milk or something trying to make weight for his first pro fight, was a disaster

24 hour, or day of, weigh ins?
 

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Plus, you can still lose about 10 lbs of fat and still be around 10% bodyfat. That's not too lean for fighting.

What's your weight class?
 
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24 hour, or day of, weigh ins?
The amateur promotion I'm signed up for currently is just the day before, depending on the event sometimes the fight will be as late as 36 hours after weigh in. Never same day tho
 
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Plus, you can still lose about 10 lbs of fat and still be around 10% bodyfat. That's not too lean for fighting.

What's your weight class?
Light heavyweight (205) currently but my coach wants me to cut to middleweight which is at 185 and that seems brutal. Fights are harder at middleweight too anyways
 

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Light heavyweight (205) currently but my coach wants me to cut to middleweight which is at 185 and that seems brutal. Fights are harder at middleweight too anyways

You'd be a pretty lean 205, then that leaves a 20 lb water cut.

Not the worst that I've heard, but WHY? You're an amateur!!!

Fight in the class where you'll be your best.
 
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You'd be a pretty lean 205, then that leaves a 20 lb water cut.

Not the worst that I've heard, but WHY? You're an amateur!!!

Fight in the class where you'll be your best.
I totally agree, my coaches issue is that most guys fighting at lhw are 6ft3 at least and many are cutting down from 230 plus, being way oversized at mw would be better than a bit undersized at lhw. Ive never done that steep of a cut before though and I think it would hurt my performance quite a bit

My next fight in Feb will certainly be at lhw though which won't be hard at all to prep for
 
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I'd use a glp-1 to help cut weight and some anavar with the test. I'm doing it now and got lean af. Super easy. I fight some too, not at the level you do though.

I feel great on this combo. I'm running deca to but you don't need that.
 

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Before I offer anything I have one question; are you using PEDs in a tested sport?
 
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Before I offer anything I have one question; are you using PEDs in a tested sport?
My promotion doesn't test for amateur, they are supposed to for the pros they have signed on but it rarely ever happens.

I'm very much an amateur though, and I might not ever make it pro to be quite honest
 

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My promotion doesn't test for amateur, they are supposed to for the pros they have signed on but it rarely ever happens.

I'm very much an amateur though, and I might not ever make it pro to be quite honest
They don't test, then it's on them. In BBing and PLing, it called an open meet or competition.

I just have an issue with someone who's trying to beat the system and cheat someone.

Ok here's my suggestion; Go easy on the test and get your E2 checked about 4-5 weeks in. High estrogen can hold some water. Keep the test around 300- 400 and run it for a min of 12 weeks, 16 is better. Add an AI if your E2 is out of range.

As for orals, Winny or Var will serve you well. 50mg/day is plenty for 4-5 weeks. Time the oral when you want to peak.

Lastly, stay away from tren. It's notorious for crushing cardio.
 

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My promotion doesn't test for amateur, they are supposed to for the pros they have signed on but it rarely ever happens.

I'm very much an amateur though, and I might not ever make it pro to be quite honest

I've used gear for amature freestyle wrestling and boxing myself and experimented a little

The advice you got is spot on, mast isn't going to do much for performance or water retention

If you get tested, testosterone propionate is probably the best thing you could use. Alot of bodybuilder guys here, but unlike them, we're not looking for mass or definition but endurance and strength

There is nothing better than good old fashioned testosterone for this. Augmented with some peptides when cutting to weight, I don't think alot of fancy gear can do much better than those simple compounds, and stopping them a week before a test is easy to pass a ped test

The only downside is being a pin cushion...daily shots and keeping estrogen in check. Because like @snake Very correctly said, water retention is about controlling estrogen more than anything else and testosterone propionate is more than enough to boost your test into the adequate amounts without fancy cocktails or massive doses of anything

and @CJ is correct. Mast won't help you for what you're trying to do. It's more for cosmetic than anything else and there's no reason for it really in your situation

At 205 you're as big as you want to be, so there's no reason for tren or eq either.

It's just training, diet and testosterone at this point.
 
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I've used gear for amature freestyle wrestling and boxing myself and experimented a little

The advice you got is spot on, mast isn't going to do much for performance or water retention

If you get tested, testosterone propionate is probably the best thing you could use. Alot of bodybuilder guys here, but unlike them, we're not looking for mass or definition but endurance and strength

There is nothing better than good old fashioned testosterone for this. Augmented with some peptides when cutting to weight, I don't think alot of fancy gear can do much better than those simple compounds, and stopping them a week before a test is easy to pass a ped test

The only downside is being a pin cushion...daily shots and keeping estrogen in check.

But cj is correct. Mast won't help you for what you're trying to do. It's more for cosmetic than anything else and there's no reason for it really in your situation

At 205 you're as big as you want to be, so there's no reason for tren or eq either.

It's just training, diet and testosterone at this point.

As far as going pro...meh

I like knowing what my right hand can do when unleashed and how to keep a bigger opponent or more than one off me more
 

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One more question, what's your height and reach?
Arm length and shoulder/hip circumference?

Do you prefer to grapple or strike?

Are your legs long with a shorter torso, or a long torso with short legs?

All of this makes a difference.

Do you like to kick high? Are your legs even capable and conditioned?
 

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