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Hello, I am starting off by looking into everything that this world has to offer. My doc let me down my t levels were in 250-390 range. Couldn't lose weight. Couldn't build muscle. Felt like crap. Took things into my own hands. Been learning what I can from yt, and reading. And starting treatment myself. I put in place bp control. And a huge vitamin stack. As well as primo to control e levels till the fat comes off. I have been on now 2 months. Dropping 2 pant sizes and up 20 lbs!? So headed the right way!
 

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Hello, I am starting off by looking into everything that this world has to offer. My doc let me down my t levels were in 250-390 range. Couldn't lose weight. Couldn't build muscle. Felt like crap. Took things into my own hands. Been learning what I can from yt, and reading. And starting treatment myself. I put in place bp control. And a huge vitamin stack. As well as primo to control e levels till the fat comes off. I have been on now 2 months. Dropping 2 pant sizes and up 20 lbs!? So headed the right way!
you dont use primo as a way to control estrogen specially if its your first cycle..You need a ai like aromasin or arimidex
 
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Thank you for your input, honestly I feel that my first dose was the one I felt the most with sides. But doing pretty solid now. Then I planed labs here in 2 weeks. That will probably provide the best correction if needed. As a question, why would you run an aro, compared to primo? From everything I have read it does stop converting. And it has positive sides, and shouldn't totally crash e.
 

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Just stick to Test for now until everything gets stable. There's a lot to learn about going it on your own, but don't be afraid to ask.

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Thank you for your input, honestly I feel that my first dose was the one I felt the most with sides. But doing pretty solid now. Then I planed labs here in 2 weeks. That will probably provide the best correction if needed. As a question, why would you run an aro, compared to primo? From everything I have read it does stop converting. And it has positive sides, and shouldn't totally crash e.
Primo is an anabolic steroid it’s not meant to use to control estrogen. Can it lower it some ya so can mast but those aren’t Ais. Where are u getting this info?
 
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Where I came to this is leaning on seeing others blood work. I don't want to drop names as well. But is being talked about alot in different circles. And also looking at studies of women with breast cancer. Lowering their e levels. To stop growth of it. And to boost the immune system when recovering. But I am not a professional in this just smart enough to be dangerous. I did run just t for 6 weeks to start. And had some signs at the nips and ed, but adding the primo got me straight in more than one way.
 

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I'd personally try adding Primo or Mast before using an AI or SERM. If I'm going to add in a drug to offset estrogen, I might as well use something that helps me grow.

Another option is to use less of the high aromatizing compounds.
 

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I'd personally try adding Primo or Mast before using an AI or SERM. If I'm going to add in a drug to offset estrogen, I might as well use something that helps me grow.
Would you take primo or masteron when you've never used AAS in your entire life, and have zero clue/experience of WTF you're doing or why?

Or would you wait to see how your body responded to just using testosterone first, and what levels your chosen TRT dosage puts you at?
 

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Would you take primo or masteron when you've never used AAS in your entire life, and have zero clue/experience of WTF you're doing or why?
Absolutely not.

My first cycle would be 300 mg/wk of Test, get bloodwork about 6 weeks in to see what's going on under the hood.

I wouldn't even increase the Test until progress stopped. If I went the entire cycle only using 300 mgs and made progress throughout, that's fucking great!!!

And my next cycle after that?.... Start at 300 mgs, ride out low doses for as long as I can. And when I had to finally increase the dose? 400 mgs is plenty.
Or would you wait to see how your body responded to just using testosterone first, and what levels your chosen TRT dosage puts you at?

In the above example, if it turned out that 300 mgs was pushing it, according to bloodwork/symptoms, then the next cycle, I'd lower the Test a little, say to 200 mg, then add in Mast or Primo at 200. Get bloodwork to see how my estradiol responded to that combo.

It's a puzzle that we need to figure out, we're all different.
 

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Or would you wait to see how your body responded to just using testosterone first, and what levels your chosen TRT dosage puts you at?

I misread this.

I'd absolutely have bloodwork done on my TRT dose to see what's going on, and to have baselines.
 
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I have had 2 bloods done. Before I started and one 6 weeks in on trt. Starting at 150mg that put me at 890 on my t and e was at 50 so I jumped it to 300 and 2 week in I hit some sides that I put in 50 primo and they sides stopped. I'm feeling very strong. Bp is up so I'm also taking some metro to calm that back to normal range. I'll see what I have here soon with some new labs. Thank you for the feed back. This is all good stuff.
 

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Where I came to this is leaning on seeing others bl youood work. I don't want to drop names as well. But is being talked about alot in different circles. And also looking at studies of women with breast cancer. Lowering their e levels. To stop growth of it.
More than half breast cancer is Estrogen sensitivity but not all. Tomoxin is SOP for most breast cancers but probably overused.
 

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I have had 2 bloods done. Before I started and one 6 weeks in on trt. Starting at 150mg that put me at 890 on my t and e was at 50 so I jumped it to 300 and 2 week in I hit some sides that I put in 50 primo and they sides stopped. I'm feeling very strong. Bp is up so I'm also taking some metro to calm that back to normal range. I'll see what I have here soon with some new labs. Thank you for the feed back. This is all good stuff.
You were perfectly in the middle of the range and felt fine, so naturally you decide to double it... just because.

Very smart, makes sense. 🙄

BTW, you aren't doing TRT. You're doing a cycle at this point.

Why do people starting out always want to slam drugs before they get dialed in? 🙄
 
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Because. We all want more right? Honestly I will probably back down to the 150 range. And chill then run up again. Personally self experiment is the only way to know what one can do or handle. This is evolution at its simplest. Hay if you eat that mushroom you die but this ones good. How do you know? Someone found out and they pass the knowledge their buddy died. I don't feel I'm being reckless. Just making educational guesses based on some data and feel of my body. As I see no real clear answers. Just a ton of questions.
 

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I have had 2 bloods done. Before I started and one 6 weeks in on trt. Starting at 150mg that put me at 890 on my t and e was at 50
This is your TRT Plus dose. Don't go beyond this if health is important.
so I jumped it to 300 and 2 week in I hit some sides that I put in 50 primo and they sides stopped. I'm feeling very strong. Bp is up so I'm also taking some metro to calm that back to normal range. I'll see what I have here soon with some new labs. Thank you for the feed back. This is all good stuff.
Primo is known to crush lipid panels on some people, so make sure that's checked with bloodwork.
 

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Because. We all want more right? Honestly I will probably back down to the 150 range. And chill then run up again. Personally self experiment is the only way to know what one can do or handle.
Well then you should've gotten bloodwork at 300 mgs, and then more bloodwork after Primo was introduced, to see what the changing variables resulted in.

Your experiment wasn't an experiment, you just simply did shit.
 
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I am very curious to see what's going on inside. I know on the other end I have changed diet. To cut down on o6 fats and up o3. And has be a positive change all around.
 
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My next blood will be the 300 an 50 panel to see what's happening. And i agree nothing wrong with o6 just as if it's not too much. I know I needed to back off more of the red meat and have more fish.
 
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