The Ester debate... sorta

[MxxC82]

I was bored scrolling through reels on social media and ran across a short clip from Vigourous Steve Anabolic Round Table Ep. 5, they were focusing on Esters with Test debating Cypionate as a trash ester saying it doesn't peak Serum levels like Enanthate or Propionate. What are some of your thoughts on this? I am not sure if someone here started a thread or had commented with a direct link to VS talking about the Anabolic Tier Level, but I remember seeing it somewhere here also.

I don't spend a lot of time on the interwebs via youtube and such because I am either working, working out, eating, sleeping, at the gun range, or having to do adult shit I really don't want to do, but I am the only one to get it done... such as life i suppose. I seen the clip and it peaked my interest, so I wanted to get some of you guys to chime in on this as well and get some good feedback and opinions. I think it would be a great range of different but valuable information for folks to base some further research on and those that are newer to AAS to have something to base a plan off of.

 

[eazy]

What are some of your thoughts on this?

key takeaway:

the ester shape is what makes it hard to absorb. It has nothing to do with the ester being long or short.

aromatic ring.

 

[SFGiants]

I don't thinks so, it's the most perferred test ester. The US uses it for prescription over test e.

In the underground world, test c raws are much harder to keep in stock, again, most preferred.

I have never heard anyone claim bloodwork to be more superior with test e over test c. If it was, wouldn't the US used it over test c?

Anyone calling cypionate a trash ester immediately losses my attention. (Not directed towards you). But it just seems ignorant to me.

 

[CJ]

One doesn't want very high peaks and low valleys with their androgens, that's how unwanted issues arise.

That being said, that can be mitigated with more frequent shots, so it's a preference.

Cypionate is neither goor nor bad.

 

[bvs]

I don't thinks so, it's the most perferred test ester. The US uses it for prescription over test e.

In the underground world, test c raws are much harder to keep in stock, again, most preferred.

I have never heard anyone claim bloodwork to be more superior with test e over test c. If it was, wouldn't the US used it over test c?

Anyone calling cypionate a trash ester immediately losses my attention. (Not directed towards you). But it just seems ignorant to me.

Its the opposite in Oz. Prescription and ugl is always test e, test c is basically unheard of

 

[Jonjon]

Anyone calling cypionate a trash ester immediately losses my attention. (Not directed towards you). But it just seems ignorant to me.

Agreed. I think these YouTube boys are running out of things to talk about. Cyp is my favorite ester and it will take your blood serum levels sky high just like any other ester if you take enough

 

[eazy]

Agreed. I think these YouTube boys are running out of things to talk about. Cyp is my favorite ester and it will take your blood serum levels sky high just like any other ester if you take enough

Did you watch the video in question?

This is not some yt boy, it's Kurt Havens.

 

[eazy]

I don't thinks so, it's the most perferred test ester. The US uses it for prescription over test e.

In the underground world, test c raws are much harder to keep in stock, again, most preferred.

I have never heard anyone claim bloodwork to be more superior with test e over test c. If it was, wouldn't the US used it over test c?

Anyone calling cypionate a trash ester immediately losses my attention. (Not directed towards you). But it just seems ignorant to me.

Did you watch the video?

 

[snake]

I have never heard anyone claim bloodwork to be more superior with test e over test c. If it was, wouldn't the US used it over test c?

You would be the guy to ask this. Do shorter esters actually carry more compound per ml because there's more room? Damn if I can recall where I heard that. I didn't think it make a difference in the long run because it was so de minimis.

 

[CJ]

You would be the guy to ask this. Do shorter esters actually carry more compound per ml because there's more room? Damn if I can recall where I heard that. I didn't think it make a difference in the long run because it was so de minimis.

Yes, they do. Sometimes it's a significant amount more of the actual drug.

I think it 68 mg of actual Testosterone per 100 mg of Cypionate, vs 93 mg of actual Testosterone in 100 mg of Propionate. If that's not 100% accurate, it's close.

 

[Jonjon]

Did you watch the video in question?

This is not some yt boy, it's Kurt Havens.

Yes, sir, I watched it when it originally was posted a while back. I don’t remember exactly what all they said, but I do remember after watching it. I rolled my eyes. What they are claiming is that it cannot build up in someone’s system like other. esters can, it’s fine for TRT, but if you want to get your blood levels real high , they insinuated cyp is inferior

I’ve seen astronomical levels on cyp, so I don’t agree with them.

 

[eazy]

Yes, sir, I watched it when it originally was posted a while back. I don’t remember exactly what all they said, but I do remember after watching it. I rolled my eyes. What they are claiming is that it cannot build up in someone’s system like other. esters can, it’s fine for TRT, but if you want to get your blood levels real high , they insinuated cyp is inferior

I’ve seen astronomical levels on cyp, so I don’t agree with them.

I can admit it's fancy word sciencey minutiae that as your blood work confirms, doesn't matter.

 

[CJ]

Did you watch the video?

Do you happen to know which video it was? I watch much of Kurt's stuff, so I'd like to see it, in context.

¡Muchas Gracías!

 

[SFGiants]

You would be the guy to ask this. Do shorter esters actually carry more compound per ml because there's more room? Damn if I can recall where I heard that. I didn't think it make a difference in the long run because it was so de minimis.

They actually do.

 

[SFGiants]

Did you watch the video?

No, just blowing off steam.

But won't believe test c is trash, it's crash but not trash. Test e has the most issues in it's raw state, that stuff can turn to trash fast!

 

[eazy]

Do you happen to know which video it was?

 

[eazy]

No, just blowing off steam.

But won't believe test c is trash, it's crash but not trash. Test e has the most issues in it's raw state, that stuff can turn to trash fast!

@8:25

 

[SFGiants]

@8:25

At this point it's just his opinion, but we as users of almost 20 years already know it's effective just as well as test e but smoother.

 

[SFGiants]

The test c ester doesn't hold as well than test e but it stays good in it's raw state for many years. Test e has issues in it's raw state and turns to crap, this is why bad pip happens.

As far as effective in bloodwork, no difference has been shown in any of our guinea pigs in all these years.

I just can't take it serious when called a trash ester, although I didn't hear it in the video, just read it in this thread.

Too many of us are on trt with test c and tested regularly, it's not a trash ester, it works!

 

[Jonjon]

I think they said the same thing about phenylpropionate being a trash ester. My npp says otherwise lol