TRT: future apocalypse and 0 sperm count

[El Gringo]

It’s been a while since I’ve been here…

Past 6 months I’ve been off of TRT and have been on HCG.

One day I got a call from my doctor and said he won’t prescribe me testosterone until I do a sperm count (haven’t done one in 3 years)

I jacked off in a cup and a week later my sperm count came back as 0.

I’m 32 years old and honestly, I want kids, but don’t want any until trannies are banned from grooming kids and every single politician in the world is dead.

That’s probably never happening, so I’m not having kids. My wife is 7 years away from 40 So I only have a 7 year window anyways and she wants kids less than me. She even told me to not waste my time and money on the HCG.

Anyways, I was about to get a sperm count again, then I learned that my doctor is in jail (nothing to do with his practice) and that he’s probably going to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

I’m done trying trying to get my sperm count up and HCG cost me $500/month.

I’m contemplating going back on TRT but I don’t feel that bad off it. I lost 2” off my waist and wear a size 30 jeans. I don’t think I’ve worn a 30 since 8th grade. I guess HCG really does help fat loss.

I haven’t gotten my testosterone tested but feel I might have decent levels. (It was at 200ng 5 weeks after going cold turkey)

My fear is that everything is going to shit in the world and it’s going to be like Mad Max and the thunderdome. Its beyond obvious that there is a Cabal that controls all the politicians/celebrities/billionaires and they’re stealing all the money from 99.999% of the population.

Or the government is going to ban TRT for men and only make it available for trannies.

Should I …
1. go back on TRT
2. Find another doc to continue HCG
3. Try increasing my natural levels with clomid

 

[OldeBull1]

First, get the bloodwork. Where are you sitting.?
Second, how are you feeling. I feel this is bigger than #1, but it is subjective, not objective.

Seems to me, you quit cold turkey, don't want kids, and are feeling pretty good these days . If what you are doing now is working for you,, why change it?

 

[El Gringo]

First, get the bloodwork. Where are you sitting.?
Second, how are you feeling. I feel this is bigger than #1, but it is subjective, not objective.

Seems to me, you quit cold turkey, don't want kids, and are feeling pretty good these days . If what you are doing now is working for you,, why change it?

Thanks for the response.

I like being on TRT and blasting a couple times a year. I like the way it makes me look and it also helps my job performance. I’m a contractor and my job is motivating others to do theirs by intimidating them (nice guys don’t last) and I still have days where I work like a laborer.

When I started TRT I thought, what’s the big deal I’ll probably start it when I reach 50 anyways, the only downside would be if the world went to shit and I could no longer access testosterone.

Well, now my fear is looking more likely. Last thing I want is to live in the thunderdome and not be able to fend for myself because I’m a scrawny low testosterone little man

 

[white ape]

I have those same thoughts about not being able to access TRT at some point. Figured I was the only one. HCG seems expensive. I know my doctor just mentioned to me that he is treating many patients with clomid instead of test. I started off on clomid at 29. Then my wife got pregnant and I went on test.

When I was moving from Colorado to Georgia I was also having issues with insurance and all that. I was off TRT cold turkey for 3 months and honestly didn’t feel any different. Back on now and don’t feel any different. Maybe a little more muscular but I also wasn’t lifting when I was off and hadn’t been leading up to it.

You hear horror stories about people getting off TRT like it’s the blood of youth or some magical alchemy. I noticed zero difference.

My suggestion is get blood work. Get the doc to put you on a good dose of clomid and test at 1 month, 3, and 6. See what happens. If it isn’t working he can always put you back on test. Or HCG.

 

[white ape]

Glad to see you around as well.

 

[Mike veins]

It’s been a while since I’ve been here…

Past 6 months I’ve been off of TRT and have been on HCG.

One day I got a call from my doctor and said he won’t prescribe me testosterone until I do a sperm count (haven’t done one in 3 years)

I jacked off in a cup and a week later my sperm count came back as 0.

I’m 32 years old and honestly, I want kids, but don’t want any until trannies are banned from grooming kids and every single politician in the world is dead.

That’s probably never happening, so I’m not having kids. My wife is 7 years away from 40 So I only have a 7 year window anyways and she wants kids less than me. She even told me to not waste my time and money on the HCG.

Anyways, I was about to get a sperm count again, then I learned that my doctor is in jail (nothing to do with his practice) and that he’s probably going to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

I’m done trying trying to get my sperm count up and HCG cost me $500/month.

I’m contemplating going back on TRT but I don’t feel that bad off it. I lost 2” off my waist and wear a size 30 jeans. I don’t think I’ve worn a 30 since 8th grade. I guess HCG really does help fat loss.

I haven’t gotten my testosterone tested but feel I might have decent levels. (It was at 200ng 5 weeks after going cold turkey)

My fear is that everything is going to shit in the world and it’s going to be like Mad Max and the thunderdome. Its beyond obvious that there is a Cabal that controls all the politicians/celebrities/billionaires and they’re stealing all the money from 99.999% of the population.

Or the government is going to ban TRT for men and only make it available for trannies.

Should I …
1. go back on TRT
2. Find another doc to continue HCG
3. Try increasing my natural levels with clomid

Well I had 2 kids while being mid cycle. The only thing I can think of was that I was using aromasin . Im not sure if thats what did it , maybe it's worth a try.

 

[Be_A_Hero]

I agree on HCG being expensive, I stopped taking it and have been on TRT only for about 6 months (35 years old) I notice a difference only in the size of my nuts. I feel as though modern medicine will keep progressing. Who knows what the standard of male optimization will be 5 years from now

 

[buck]

I agree on HCG being expensive, I stopped taking it and have been on TRT only for about 6 months (35 years old) I notice a difference only in the size of my nuts. I feel as though modern medicine will keep progressing. Who knows what the standard of male optimization will be 5 years from now

That is true as there is no way to know about the future. But the way to optimize T levels is pretty much the same as it was when i started Dr. prescribed TRT over 20 years ago. T, HCG, anti estrogen, nolva, clomid, HMG along with others was available and depending on who you talked to different people thought different things worked with differing opinion on dosages and one would just have to try it and see. so i will be open to new info but will not hold my breath or risk my health waiting. Others should do what they think works best for them. As they will have to accept the consequences that they make for themselves.

 

[j2048b]

It’s been a while since I’ve been here…

Past 6 months I’ve been off of TRT and have been on HCG.

One day I got a call from my doctor and said he won’t prescribe me testosterone until I do a sperm count (haven’t done one in 3 years)

I jacked off in a cup and a week later my sperm count came back as 0.

I’m 32 years old and honestly, I want kids, but don’t want any until trannies are banned from grooming kids and every single politician in the world is dead.

That’s probably never happening, so I’m not having kids. My wife is 7 years away from 40 So I only have a 7 year window anyways and she wants kids less than me. She even told me to not waste my time and money on the HCG.

Anyways, I was about to get a sperm count again, then I learned that my doctor is in jail (nothing to do with his practice) and that he’s probably going to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

I’m done trying trying to get my sperm count up and HCG cost me $500/month.

I’m contemplating going back on TRT but I don’t feel that bad off it. I lost 2” off my waist and wear a size 30 jeans. I don’t think I’ve worn a 30 since 8th grade. I guess HCG really does help fat loss.

I haven’t gotten my testosterone tested but feel I might have decent levels. (It was at 200ng 5 weeks after going cold turkey)

My fear is that everything is going to shit in the world and it’s going to be like Mad Max and the thunderdome. Its beyond obvious that there is a Cabal that controls all the politicians/celebrities/billionaires and they’re stealing all the money from 99.999% of the population.

Or the government is going to ban TRT for men and only make it available for trannies.

Should I …
1. go back on TRT
2. Find another doc to continue HCG
3. Try increasing my natural levels with clomid

Buy ur own hcg and go from there or stock up for the thunderdome will all sorts of juice



Clomid alone sucks, tons of emotional issue…. Id add hcg and clomid together tho to see if u can get ur sperm count up…plus the hcg seems to help the moods while on clomid…

 

[crippled dudebro]

I’m 32 years old and honestly, I want kids, but don’t want any until trannies are banned from grooming kids and every single politician in the world is dead.

where did core values like these go? we need to bring them back

My fear is that everything is going to shit in the world and it’s going to be like Mad Max and the thunderdome. Its beyond obvious that there is a Cabal that controls all the politicians/celebrities/billionaires and they’re stealing all the money from 99.999% of the population.

id say north korea, not thunderdome. its a controlled demolition.

Or the government is going to ban TRT for men and only make it available for trannies.

maybe, by then trt is the least of your worries though.

 

[BigChief1]

Post like this confuse the hell out of me. Being serious here…. Maybe I’m the idiot in the situation. But I thought trt was this thing for men who didn’t produce enough natural testosterone. In which case u supplemented. So why the hell would u ever come off if your reasoning for starting was your natural test was to low? Or are we talking a politically correct way of taking a mild cycle without feeling dirty about it?

 

[moostache]

My fear is that everything is going to shit in the world and it’s going to be like Mad Max and the thunderdome. Its beyond obvious that there is a Cabal that controls all the politicians/celebrities/billionaires and they’re stealing all the money from 99.999% of the population.

Or the government is going to ban TRT for men and only make it available for trannies.

Should I …
1. go back on TRT
2. Find another doc to continue HCG
3. Try increasing my natural levels with clomid

im with you 100 on all counts bro. govt is already moving against test, it will be extremely vilified soon which is unfortunate because TRT was finally becoming accepted, I suspect it will set TRT back 20 years and stigma back into the 00's seroids era; or worse, tell someone you're on TRT they'll think you have a mental problem and report you to tyrannical authorities. my thought process is stock a couple years worth of clomid and maybe dbol. clomid cruise and you can also add the dbol on top for a boost or run it solo for trt. dbol is similar to test and converts to usable estro, it was even tested as an oral TRT and safe, at low doses it may or may not even shut you down while on clomid. as far as the injectables route I'm thinking sust or undecanoate would be fine in any realistic scenario. stock a bunch deep, expiry date usually 5 years, likely good another 3-5 after that. if SHTF/revelations lasts longer than that, buddy we got bigger probs than getting testes back online haha.

one other thing, my man I think having children is one of the most important parts of life, getting to pass on a piece of you and what you've learned to better the world when you are gone. im 34 and just celebrated my son's 1st b-day. your wife is already a high risk pregnancy and may not have many healthy eggs left at her age, knock her up now. clomid, HCG whatever u gotta do. I'm so sick of that mainstream LIE about not having children is hip and cool. the women who don't will be barren and miserable in their 50s with nothing left to look forward to in life after their "cool wine aunt" phase passes. I used to give the same reasons for not wanting children, worlds gone to crap blah blah, its so defeatist. We need good moral people around to rebuild, please have kids.

 

[El Gringo]

Well I got tested for both my sperm and test levels. After 3-4 months of HCG @ 30iu/day my sperm went from 0 to 46 million (normal). My Dr is still practicing and said my sperm count is normal but are abnormally shaped and I need to stay off for another 3 months for them to regain their shape.

My total test is 350ng
And free test is 48pg

Both in the low side of the normal range. I’m a bit surprised because before TRT 7 years ago my numbers were lower.

I’m a bit happy with that and makes me consider staying off test and getting the numbers higher with clomid. I don’t know? It’s only gonna be another 10 years till I’m in my mid 40s… and my libido is very low and miss how high it was while on TRT.

 

[El Gringo]

Post like this confuse the hell out of me. Being serious here…. Maybe I’m the idiot in the situation. But I thought trt was this thing for men who didn’t produce enough natural testosterone. In which case u supplemented. So why the hell would u ever come off if your reasoning for starting was your natural test was to low? Or are we talking a politically correct way of taking a mild cycle without feeling dirty about it?

You must have missed the part about freezing sperm…

I could care less about saying dirty things on the internet

 

[Bro Bundy]

ill get me a hot AI wife

 

[Propaxone]

im with you 100 on all counts bro. govt is already moving against test, it will be extremely vilified soon which is unfortunate because TRT was finally becoming accepted, I suspect it will set TRT back 20 years and stigma back into the 00's seroids era; or worse, tell someone you're on TRT they'll think you have a mental problem and report you to tyrannical authorities. my thought process is stock a couple years worth of clomid and maybe dbol. clomid cruise and you can also add the dbol on top for a boost or run it solo for trt. dbol is similar to test and converts to usable estro, it was even tested as an oral TRT and safe, at low doses it may or may not even shut you down while on clomid. as far as the injectables route I'm thinking sust or undecanoate would be fine in any realistic scenario. stock a bunch deep, expiry date usually 5 years, likely good another 3-5 after that. if SHTF/revelations lasts longer than that, buddy we got bigger probs than getting testes back online haha.

one other thing, my man I think having children is one of the most important parts of life, getting to pass on a piece of you and what you've learned to better the world when you are gone. im 34 and just celebrated my son's 1st b-day. your wife is already a high risk pregnancy and may not have many healthy eggs left at her age, knock her up now. clomid, HCG whatever u gotta do. I'm so sick of that mainstream LIE about not having children is hip and cool. the women who don't will be barren and miserable in their 50s with nothing left to look forward to in life after their "cool wine aunt" phase passes. I used to give the same reasons for not wanting children, worlds gone to crap blah blah, its so defeatist. We need good moral people around to rebuild, please have kids.

Having kids isnt going to save the world. There is, and was nothing humans could ever do to prevent extinction. Once an intelligent speicies transmits their first radio wave, a type of countdown timer starts and runs out when the last person dies. This is usually between 200 to 300 years but can be shorter. This is because intelligence is detrimental to long term survival and the species destroys its environment many decades before it realises what its done. People ask where are all the aliens? They’re all already dead.

 

[valdemort]

This is because intelligence is detrimental to long term survival and the species destroys its environment many decades before it realises what its done. People ask where are all the aliens? They’re all already dead.

You really lost whatever credibility you had when you cited our "destroyed environment" for support

 

[Propaxone]

You really lost whatever credibility you had when you cited our "destroyed environment" for support

This is exactly the problem. No matter how many times we come and try to explain this, the species discounts it as it doesnt suit their agenda. Its entirely understandable, but unavoidable.

 

[valdemort]

This is exactly the problem. No matter how many times we come and try to explain this, the species discounts it as it doesnt suit their agenda. Its entirely understandable, but unavoidable.

Go ahead and explain your environmental concerns. Did you see one of the pictures of the poor sea turtles with a burger king straw in it's nose? 🥺

 

[Propaxone]

Go ahead and explain your environmental concerns. Did you see one of the pictures of the poor sea turtles with a burger king straw in it's nose? 🥺

Saw that one. Very sad. It happens so often that turtles are adapting to have much smaller noses. Its science like.