TRUE Nandrolone Only Cycle Update

[Jonjon]

Well, I’m about 1 month in on a TRUE nandrolone only run. What I mean by true, is I stopped my trt about 3 weeks before beginning nandrolone to make sure my test was bottomed out and most of the estrogen was cleared out of my body. I’ve seen a lot of guys post like they’re doing nandrolone only when the just hopped off 500 test and the next day started taking nandrolone. That’s not true nandrolone only. Nothing wrong with it, but you can’t make any claims about what it feels like until you’ve ran it with all the test out of your system.

Just wanted to fill anyone in that’s interested. The reason I tried this was because I was getting gyno on test along with GH. Even at low trt dosage. After experiencing how well GH worked for me I was bound and determined to find a way to get away with cycling something while on GH and hopefully not aggravating my gyno.

(Side note, I was also on accutane back when I was having gyno trouble. There’s some info on Google about it causing gyno in very rare cases, but who knows. All I know is no gyno now)

Upsides to nandrolone only:
No red face. I get red face on anything above 180mg trt. Who knows why, it’s not from high hematocrit.

No bloat

No hair loss. I wish I could go back in time and run high nandrolone only cycles with just trt in between. I’d probably have a little more hair.

Great progress in the gym both aesthetically and strength wise

Sleep is awesome. Can’t even say that on trt.
Not checking BP but will start. Feels like it has not elevated at all.

No oily skin! Skin looks better than ever.


Downsides
No libido. I mean zero lol. My poor wife. I could certainly function if necessary but I don’t need it or want it. Could solve a lot of young men’s problems

Slight melancholy mood all the time. I don’t drive to the gym all jacked up about my workout. But after 3 sets and I see the veins and the pump I’m where I need to be mentally.

I miss the feeling of test.


Overall, I’ve always done best on test and nandrolone. It’s always put meat on my bones better than anything. I will switch back to test later and just run test and GH, and maybe without the accutane I won’t have any gyno issues. I’ll be a happy man. All I need the rest of my life is test and GH, but I don’t mind running nandrolone and GH

My protocol was 400 deca week one
Switched to NPP week 2, at 350 a week dosed daily
Week 3 and 4, 100mg npp a day.

4iu GH a day

 

[Synyster]

It's a good idea.
I would consider using some estradiol cypionate or estradiol valerate.

Without estradiol in your system you will not get a good conversion of hgh to Igf1 Aswell as several other downstream conversions. U won't build muscle without estrogen present. Ideally a fair bit of it.

 

[Jonjon]

It's a good idea.
I would consider using some estradiol cypionate or estradiol valerate.

Without estradiol in your system you will not get a good conversion of hgh to Igf1 Aswell as several other downstream conversions. U won't build muscle without estrogen present. Ideally a fair bit of it.

The whole point of this is to avoid estrogen conversion and aggravating gyno. I’m doing great and GH seems to be working great.

 

[Bro Bundy]

i knew alot of guys who used 100 test 600 deca and loved it

 

[Jonjon]

i knew alot of guys who used 100 test 600 deca and loved it

Yea my next move is to maybe add a small amount of test. My gyno flared up real bad while on GH and only 180mg of test a week, with a 39 estradiol

But I was also on accutane then.

I miss the feeling of being on test. Even just trt.

 

[Bro Bundy]

Yea my next move is to maybe add a small amount of test. My gyno flared up real bad while on GH and only 180mg of test a week, with a 39 estradiol

But I was also on accutane then.

I miss the feeling of being on test. Even just trt.

100 mg 75 mg will still be some kind of base i think its better

 

[Synyster]

The whole point of this is to avoid estrogen conversion and aggravating gyno. I’m doing great and GH seems to be working great.

I'm well aware of that. However, having zero E1 and e2 is not the way to do it either.

Estrogen conversion is somewhat unpredictable. But this would be directly injecting Ur estrogen. No guesswork.

I'm sure Ur gh is working well... But your Igf1 levels will be non existant.. Which leaves you basically taking the world's most expensive fat burner+ sleep aid combo

 

[SFGiants]

Cialis for the boner?

 

[Jonjon]

Cialis for the boner?

No trouble there. Just the want to.

 

[Test_subject]

It's a good idea.
I would consider using some estradiol cypionate or estradiol valerate.

Without estradiol in your system you will not get a good conversion of hgh to Igf1 Aswell as several other downstream conversions. U won't build muscle without estrogen present. Ideally a fair bit of it.

He’s getting gyno from test but you want him to take pure estrogen?

Fuck me

 

[Test_subject]

Yea my next move is to maybe add a small amount of test. My gyno flared up real bad while on GH and only 180mg of test a week, with a 39 estradiol

But I was also on accutane then.

I miss the feeling of being on test. Even just trt.

I don’t know how you feel about more frequent pinning (I assume you’re fine with it considering the GH), but you could always try microdosing something like 25mg test prop EoD.

That would get some test in your system without too much conversion to E2.

 

[Jonjon]

@Test_subject yea I’m ready for a little test. I’m fine with daily, that has always worked best for me.

I’m really thinking the gyno had something to do with the accutane. I would get gyno on dbol or drol mixed with deca before, but that was it. I could run estrogen sky high with no issues. I added GH and accutane at the same time. That’s when gyno issues started

 

[Yano]

@Test_subject yea I’m ready for a little test. I’m fine with daily, that has always worked best for me.

I’m really thinking the gyno had something to do with the accutane. I would get gyno on dbol or drol mixed with deca before, but that was it. I could run estrogen sky high with no issues. I added GH and accutane at the same time. That’s when gyno issues started

My tits are dead nothing bothers them but the right mix of deca and drol turns my prostate into a freaking balloon giraffe.

 

[Synyster]

He’s getting gyno from test but you want him to take pure estrogen?

Fuck me

Yes I do. You realize there are different dosages that can be taken right?

Especially if he was to take Nolvadex with the estrogen

 

[Test_subject]

Yes I do. You realize there are different dosages that can be taken right?

Especially if he was to take Nolvadex with the estrogen

Why would he not just take testosterone (which is also androgenic and anabolic, on top of producing estrogen) if he’s taking nolva?

That makes zero sense. You’re suggesting an objectively worse solution.

 

[SFGiants]

Why would he not just take testosterone (which is also androgenic and anabolic, on top of producing estrogen) if he’s taking nolva?

That makes zero sense. You’re suggesting an objectively worse solution.

This guy can't see past his own nose, should see his argument about mast e.

 

[Synyster]

This guy can't see past his own nose, should see his argument about mast e.

You need to do some research or spend 4 minutes listening to actual doctors and top coaches in the industry

 

[Synyster]

Why would he not just take testosterone (which is also androgenic and anabolic, on top of producing estrogen) if he’s taking nolva?

That makes zero sense. You’re suggesting an objectively worse solution.

Bc with test you don't know the conversion amount you're going to get to E1, e2, dht etc. There are many many factors that change it. Whereas if you just inject straight estrogen is far easier controlled. Assuming you'll still do bloodwork to dial in Ur e2 levels.

Your point does make sense tho. I use it when telling people to use primo or eq instead of Arimidex or Aromasin. They handle estrogen the same while getting the ped properties also.

 

[SFGiants]

You need to do some research or spend 4 minutes listening to actual doctors and top coaches in the industry

No, the problem you are having here is you are too full of yourself.

You'll go away soon enough or be forced to!

 

[Synyster]

No, the problem you are having here is you are too full of yourself.

You'll go away soon enough or be forced to!

If this is the type of forum that wants to remain in 2005 and doesn't accept semi-new proven science then you guys are welcome to ban me. However, nothing I've said was initially researched by me. They aren't my initial ideas, I'm simply telling you an alternate way of doing things that several people have had great results with in the last few years.
If you think I'm full of myself bc I articulate my points and it frustrates you then I cant really help you.