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I'm new to here I've never used this board before but I've been told told to. I've been laid up for a little more than 2 years first because of covid like everybody else and second because I needed a cornea transplant which took an entire year to complete and then another half a year to recover but I'm okay now. I'm back training again it's been 4 months now and I feel good again and I got really depressed throughout this littlehealth scare.

I'm really making this post to introduce myself and also to give you guys a warning. if you don't know already. a

I started competing in the NPC at 17
years old, I got my first flex magazine when I was 12 and from that day the only thing I wanted to be was a professional bodybuilder. the closest gym to mez I lived in New Jersey, was Diamond Gym which was the luckiest thing that ever could happen to me. They wouldn't let me join till I was 16 so my dad had some weights so I started training at about 13 with what he had so I had a little bit of a base when I did join Diamond gym at 16.

if nobody knows what Diamond gym is or heard of it never heard anything about it think of Venice golds on the East Coast. it's a world famous gym and I'm sure a lot of people on here have heard of it it's in Somerset New Jersey and it's produced more pros and amateur top amateurs and famous faces and bodybuilding maybe more than Venice California.

I joined there at 16 and suddenly I'm walking around this gym and I'm seeing Rich Gaspari, Vinny galante, Guy DuCasey, Carla Dunlap, a young Jason Arntz, his training partner Bo Matlock who would have been Mr Olympia 10 times over if he didn't have health problems, Andy Dinetta who I went to school with and turned pro in 1996 and I could go on and on and on like this that place was full of top amateurs and pros and I've never seen anything like it since or before. Like I said I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder so this was the perfect environment.


I was done with my workout and just sitting at the juice bar one day when a guy I knew but didn't know well was talking to somebody else. His name was John Trottee and he was going to do the Nationals, he was seventh as a light heavyweight year before, and he was saying how he needs a training partner but he has to work out at 5:00 a.m. and nobody wants to meet him that early. I tapped him on the shoulder and said Mr trotmtee I was 17 at the time I said if you want to train at 3:00 a.m. I'll be here at 2:45. and he said are you serious I said I'm dead serious so he said okay be here everyday at 6:45 and from that point on I trained with him for 3 years.

A national level NPC bodybuilder who had been in iron Man magazine once had a bunch of write-ups on him a great bodybuilder the best legs I still have ever seen to this day. but most important what I learned from him over those three years was invaluable I learned everything from him how to eat, how to train, how to use drugs in the safest most responsible way and still get the gains you need.

He talked me into doing the teenage New Jersey in April of 1990, and I didn't want to do it at first cuz I didn't think I was ready. I had never done a cycle yet, I had never touched that. But he convinced me and he gave me a very small amount of drugs. What I took for that show was 200 mg of Deca, 50 mg three times a week of winny injectable, and 10 mg of halo for 3 weeks before the show, no diuretics, nothing else. 23 guys in teenage class I placed second.

The guy who won was unbelievable, would have been a pro, probably would have been a good pro, but he got into the head drugs and ended up at rikers Island. He's upstate New York now now, it's some prison, it's a shame. I write him still, we got to be really good friends after the show, so every once in awhile I send him a letter.

Once I did that show I was done. I already knew I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder but now I got on stage and now I was getting praise left and right how good I looked I'm only 17 Jesus Christ all these types of things so I knew I was going to compete the year after that the year after that the year after that until I couldn't anymore.

I did the teenage New Jersey again at 18 and that time I won I went to the the teen Nationals and I placed third. at 19 I didn't compete I took the year off to train cuz I knew I was going to have to do the men's at 20 and I was going to have to be a lot bigger. I did the New Jersey state championships at 20 years old and I came in forth. by 1993 I did the New Jersey state championships again as a middleweight at 169 lb middleweight so a light middleweight and I won easily all first place votes I never expected it because at the time the New Jersey state championship was the second biggest state championship in the country next to California and everybody that won that show went straight to the junior USA which is usually a week or two later, which I did.

I went to the junior USA two weeks later and I came in I believe third. I did the junior USA twice, one time I came in second, one time I came in third so I think I came in third the first time so at like 22 years old I had won to state championship and I had placed in an NPC national level contest. And again all the praise, all that you're going to be great, all this other bullshit just fueled me.

After that I started doing smaller shows. I knew I wasn't ready for a big show like the USA, the Nationals, or even the junior Nationals, so I was doing shows around the area, the Bev Francis show, different shows like that, and I won my class every time, plus 3 overall. everyone I won three overalls as a middleweight.

Finally, at 25, I decided to do the junior Nationals and I placed second. after that I did the USA and placed 7th which I was ecstatic about that I made the top 10 out of like almost 50 guys.

A year just blew my mind. I did the USA again and was sixth but the thing is I place one point behind Danny Hester. I had been looking at Danny Hester in magazines for years out of anybody out there he had the closest physique to my own and I idolize the guy he was like 5 years older than me it was surreal just seeing him pump up backstage and I figured he would kill me it wouldn't be close so to see that score sheet and I was only one point behind him, being 5th made no difference i was competitive with Danny Hester. I was so happy for a guy that didn't make the top five.

At that point I was also going to law school at the time and I had a decision to make. I was going to graduate law school either way, but it was either pursue a legal career or don't, and bet everything on bodybuilding. I think everybody here reading this knows it would be a very stupid thing to bet it all on bodybuilding, I was not Flex Wheeler. When you have a job like an attorney sitting in front of you. so I had to retire and that was the last show I ever did.

Do I regret it, no, because I'm 50 years old and I'm retired. I hated law school, I hated being a lawyer, I could not stand it. And when I realized it was never going to change, what I did was decide I was going to work as much as possible so I can retire as soon as possible. And that's what I did.

I was able to retire at 45. I have enough money for the rest of my life, and that's why now I'm training again with my eyes on the Masters Nationals, cuz I've always wanted to do another contest. I didn't go out on my own terms, at least if I do one more it'll be going out on my own terms. so that's my bodybuilding story now let's get on to this evolutionary.org debacle.

Before I suffered all my injuries, I was active on several boards. I was actually a rep for a few places. I actually worked very close with a couple of the owners of these places. a lot of people knew me, I changed my username so you might not recognize me. I want to start over. But when I decided to come back I wanted to try something different, I signed up for this evolutionary.org.

I'm going to give you advice right now....don't ever go near that place, and I'm going to tell you why. first of all ,it's not a real bodybuilding forum, what it is is it's run by a few guys that use it as a conduit to get the trust of young 20 somethings, and push their products on them, like something called n2 guard.

N2 guard is supposed to stop all the side effects from any steroid. Now think about that. if there was a set of supplements if put together that would mitigate any side effects from steroids, don't you think a pharmaceutical company would own it and be making billions of dollars off of it here, and it would be by prescription? Not that some little obscure message board would be the only place you could get it? I looked into the ingredients and you'd be better off taking a handful of parsley today, that shit is not going to protect you from anything, it's pure shit and they do it with several other products also.

I didn't call him out on that though, what happened was a guy rode in saying he wanted to be a professional bodybuilder, and he wanted to know what type of doses professional bodybuilders usually need. There's a guy named Dylan, and I didn't know what the time, but he's actually the leader of this fucking ridiculous place. He answered, and his answer was ridiculously stupid. He actually told the guy he only need 300 mg of test a week to be a professional bodybuilder.

I couldn't help myself but to comment on that and I did it in a very respectful way. What I said was that I understand your reasoning on the low doses, and I said that's a good dose for somebody that just wants to stay in shape and look good on the beach, get a little boost in the gym, but this guy says he wants to be a professional bodybuilder. No one is becoming a professional bodybuilder on 300 mg test a week. That's like less than a maintenance dose for most pros. So I went on to say the guy needs at least 750 to 1,000 mg so we can test if he really wants to be a professional bodybuilder. That's the question he asked, so that was what I was going to answer.

That was a mistake or it wasn't a mistake, because it showed me what these people were about. right away the guy answered me condescendingly, patronizingly attacking me, basically saying I know nothing and stay out of his business, and then he called me "pal".

Now I know that sounds innocuous, but I grew up in the South Bronx. I was one of the only white kids in the South Bronx, I had a fight a lot, and if he said that to me in my face I would have took my hands open hand and slap the shit out of him, because he's not even worth punching. That's total disrespect. You don't disrespect somebody without knowing who he is, absolutely being sure you know what he's saying is wrong, and even then you try to temper the disrespect. That's how I was brought up.

So from there I kept my cool. I wrote him in a PM, I told him what happened, and I told him I don't know how you could turn pro on 300 mg of test a week. He didn't give me any relevant answer, all he did was attack me again. So that was it, I didn't tell them any of this shit I told you, so I told him all of it. I was like, listen I've been in 15 bodybuilding competitions. I've won every single one except for the national level ones in which I placed top three in most of them. I said what the hell have you ever done, because you look like a swimmer or a runner or a triathlete?

He didn't look bad, he was cut, but he definitely didn't look like a bodybuilder at all. I pointed that out again no response. then he made a comment that he knew more about bodybuilding then I ever would, or some other bullshit. I didn't really read what he wrote, it was nonsense, so I said to him, so you're telling me that my 31 years experience at one of the best gyms in the country, working with some of the best bodybuilders in the world teaching me, then doing it on my own so many times, almost turning pro and probably would have been pro if I didn't take a legal career and I know absolutely nothing?

At that point I posted pictures, and I'll post a couple pictures below just to show you, and I said to him...look this is me, post a few pictures. He told me he was in two little shows in the early 90s. I said now post your little pictures from the early 90s, and we'll put them together and we'll see. He never did because he would have looked like a fool.

So I dropped that, then I asked him a simple question. I said if you know so much about bodybuilding, but then you said you train pros he still hasn't told me what pros he trained. But he told me you train pros. I don't know if that means pro bodybuilders, problem with Marathon runners, pro bike races or swimmers?

I have no idea but I assumed bodybuilders. so I said if you train so many pro bodybuilders, do a simple thing for me and I'll shut up. Answer me what you would do from 7 days out right up to the prejudging, to make sure the guy peaked at the right time. Tell me what diuretics you would use, and why. Tell me what kind of carbs you would use and why. Tell me when you would have him deplete his carbs, and when you would have him carve up. tell me what type of water you would have them drink and how much. tell me why you would always keep a vial of injectable Lasik with you. And I went on like that, and he didn't answer, because he didn't know. I mean if he knew and he really was what he says he was why not answer that simple question and shut me the fuck up but he didn't he just deflected it and kept on.

At this point I knew the guy was a clown a fucking buffoon. So I had had it arguing with the guy, so I just stopped. But I didn't realize he ran the fucking board and he had these little minions that worship him, and they all started attacking me with ridiculous shit and there was pictures that these guys had posted. I'm laughing saying this mother fucker is questioning me, are you serious? I told him that I said look at the fucking picture you have up, how could you ever question me, and I'm not arrogant in any way. You'll see, I'll be on this board. I only want to help people, because of the whole YouTube bullshit, all these guys dying, because these idiots are going on YouTube and committing suicide by anabolic steroids. I mean I don't know how many kids went along with them cuz they don't report that, but that was one of the reasons I wanted to come back on, to share responsible reasonable use of anabolic etc which is fairly safe, actually very safe.

So anyway, these guys pretty much went at me. I went back at them because they really had nothing to say. All I had to do was show them a picture, and they had to shut the fuck up cuz they had nothing to say about it. then the next day I log in, see some of my pictures and they obviously fuck with them, because my pictures are all fucked up. They're backed up in 10,000 different places anyway so it doesn't matter, but just the fact that they would go through that much trouble to get into my phone and fuck with me like that, they must be really fucking bored. and all because I answered a damn question and went against this guy Dylan's recommendation.

That's what it was all about. he's like some kind of God on there, and I'll tell you I think I told you already what the scam is. A bunch of 20 something year old guys think this guy Dylan knows everything about everything, and I don't know how they think that looking at him because like I said, he looks like a swimmer. But it seems like they'll buy anything that he's tells them to buy, so after every single post he makes about steroids, he includes make sure you buy n2 guard to protect your liver and the rest of your body. the the N2 gaurd is like $40 a month for young kids that are probably working for $10 an hour, barely making it.

I mean what a scumbag, what a narcissistic fuck that cares about nothing but himself, and I told them that. I told him he's a narcissist and possibly a pathological liar and a psychopath. Now I don't mean a serial killer psychopath, I mean a regular psychopath. I said he can't feel empathy or sympathy for anybody that he only cares about himself. and that's how it ended, I wrote one more post to tell and this is the fucked up thing.

Listen to this. I was on there 2 weeks, and 2 weeks into it I got a private message from somebody on there, somebody that runs the place that probably didn't know what was going on. I mean them saying they've increased my access to the site and I had no idea what that meant, so I asked him and he said be quiet about it, because I'm not supposed to do it so soon, but your post is so informative and are helping so many people, that I've given you more access to your inbox, and you're able to write more in each post. I was also starting a log there, one that people are following. Like I've never seen anybody follow a lot, they were actually posting shit like... when is the next update?

when is the next update? these kids are starving for real information, because they're getting bullshit. Here this other guy is probably going to lose his job over this, that gave me access to more perks or whatever I didn't even ask for it. anyway evolutionary.org... stay the fuck away, it's a scam.

other than all that I'm glad to be on here and I would be happy to add to this form as much as I possibly can.

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I'm new to here I've never used this board before but I've been told told to. I've been laid up for a little more than 2 years first because of covid like everybody else and second because I needed a cornea transplant which took an entire year to complete and then another half a year to recover but I'm okay now. I'm back training again it's been 4 months now and I feel good again and I got really depressed throughout this littlehealth scare.

I'm really making this post to introduce myself and also to give you guys a warning. if you don't know already. a

I started competing in the NPC at 17
years old, I got my first flex magazine when I was 12 and from that day the only thing I wanted to be was a professional bodybuilder. the closest gym to mez I lived in New Jersey, was Diamond Gym which was the luckiest thing that ever could happen to me. They wouldn't let me join till I was 16 so my dad had some weights so I started training at about 13 with what he had so I had a little bit of a base when I did join Diamond gym at 16.

if nobody knows what Diamond gym is or heard of it never heard anything about it think of Venice golds on the East Coast. it's a world famous gym and I'm sure a lot of people on here have heard of it it's in Somerset New Jersey and it's produced more pros and amateur top amateurs and famous faces and bodybuilding maybe more than Venice California. I joined there at 16 and suddenly I'm walking around this gym and I'm seeing Rich Gaspari, Vinny galante, Guy DuCasey, Carla Dunlap, a young Jason Arntz, his training partner Bo Matlock who would have been Mr Olympia 10 times over if he didn't have health problems, Andy Dinetta who I went to school with and turned pro in 1996 and I could go on and on and on like this that place was full of top amateurs and pros and I've never seen anything like it since or before.

like I said I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder so this was the perfect environment.
I was done with my workout and just sitting at the juice bar one day when a guy I knew but didn't know well was talking to somebody else his name was John Trottee and he was going to do the Nationals he was seventh as a light heavyweight year before and he was saying how he needs a training partner but he has to work out at 5:00 a.m. and nobody wants to meet him that early. I tapped him on the shoulder and said Mr trotmtee I was 17 at the time I said if you want to train at 3:00 a.m. I'll be here at 2:45. and he said are you serious I said I'm dead serious so he said okay be here everyday at 6:45 and from that point on I trained with him for 3 years. A national level NPC bodybuilder who had been in iron Man magazine once had a bunch of write-ups on him a great bodybuilder the best legs I still have ever seen to this day. but most important what I learned from him over those three years was invaluable I learned everything from him how to eat, how to train, how to use drugs in the safest most responsible way and still get the gains you need. he talked me into doing the teenage New Jersey in April of 1990 and I didn't want to do it at first cuz I didn't think I was ready I had never done a cycle yet I had never touched that. but he convinced me and he gave me a very small amount of drugs what I took for that show was 200 mg of deca 50 mg three times a week of winny injectable and 10 mg of halo for 3 weeks before the show no diuretics nothing else. 23 guys in teenage class I placed second. The guy who won was unbelievable would have been a pro probably would have been a good pro but he got into the head drugs and ended up at rikers Island and he's upstate New York now now it's some prison it's a shame I write him still we got to be really good friends after the show so every once in awhile I send him a letter. once I did that show I was done I already knew I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder but now I got on stage and now I was getting praise left and right how good I looked I'm only 17 Jesus Christ all these types of things so I knew I was going to compete the year after that the year after that the year after that until I couldn't anymore. I did the teenage New Jersey again at 18 and that time I won I went to the the teen Nationals and I placed third. at 19 I didn't compete I took the year off to train cuz I knew I was going to have to do the men's at 20 and I was going to have to be a lot bigger. I did the New Jersey state championships at 20 years old and I came in forth. by 1993 I did the New Jersey state championships again as a middleweight at 169 lb middleweight so a light middleweight and I won easily all first place votes I never expected it because at the time the New Jersey state championship was the second biggest state championship in the country next to California and everybody that one that show went straight to the junior USA which is usually a week or two later. which I did I went to the junior USA two weeks later and I came in I believe third I did the junior USA twice one time I came in second one time I came in third so I think I came in third the first time so at like 22 years old I had won to state championship and I had placed in an NPC national level contest. again all the praise all that you're going to be great all this other bullshit just fueled me. af

after that I started doing saller shows I knew I wasn't ready for a big show like the USA the Nationals or even the junior Nationals so I was doing shows around the area, the Bev Francis show different shows like that and I won my class every time. plus 3 overall everyone I won three overalls as a middleweight. Finally, at 25, I decided to do the junior Nationals and I placed second. after that I did the USA and placed 7th which I was ecstatic about that I made the top 10 out of like almost 50 guys.

A year just blew my mind. I did the USA again and was sixth but the thing is I place one point behind Danny Hester. I had been looking at Danny Hester in magazines for years out of anybody out there he had the closest physique to my own and I idolize the guy he was like 5 years older than me it was surreal just seeing him pump up backstage and I figured he would kill me it wouldn't be close so to see that score sheet and I was only one point behind him, being 5th made no difference i was competitive with Danny Hester. I was so happy for a guy that didn't make the top five.

at that point I was also going to law school at the time and I had a decision to make it was either I was going to graduate law school either way but it was either pursue a legal career or don't and bet everything on bodybuilding now I think everybody here reading this knows it would be a very stupid thing to bet it all on bodybuilding, I was not Flex Wheeler. when you have a job like an attorney sitting in front of you. so I had to retire and that was the last show I ever did. do I regret it no because I'm 50 years old and I'm retired. I hated law school I hated being a lawyer could not stand it and when I realized it was never going to change what I did was decided I was going to work as much as possible so I can retire as soon as possible and that's what I did I was able to retire at 45 I have enough money for the rest of my life and that's why now I'm training again with my eyes on the Masters Nationals cuz I've always wanted to do another contest I didn't go out on my own terms at least if I do one more it'll be going out on my own terms. so that's my bodybuilding story now let's get on to this evolutionary.org debacle.

before I suffered all my injuries I was active on several boards I was actually a rep for a few places. I actually worked very close with a couple of the owners of these places. a lot of people knew me I changed my username so you might not recognize me I want to start over. but when I decided to come back I wanted to try something different I signed up for this evolutionary.org I'm going to give you advice right now don't ever go near that place and I'm going to tell you why. first of all it's not a real bodybuilding for him what it is is it's run by a few guys that use it as a conduit to get the trust of young 20 somethings and push their products on them like something called n2 guard. and two guard is supposed to stop all the side effects from any steroid now think about that. if there was a set of supplements but if put together that would mitigate any side effects from steroids don't you think a pharmaceutical company would own it and be making billions of dollars outfit here and it would be by prescription that some little obscure message board wouldn't be the only place you could get it. I looked into the ingredients and you'd be better off taking a handful of parsley today that shit is not going to protect you from anything it's pure skin and they do it with several other products also. I didn't call him out on that though what happened was a guy rode in saying he wanted to be a professional bodybuilder and he wanted to know what type of doses professional bodybuilders usually need. there's a guy named Dylan and I didn't know what the time but he's actually the leader of this fucking ridiculous place he answered and his answer was ridiculously stupid he actually told the guy he only need 300 mg of test a week to be a professional bodybuilder I couldn't help myself but to comment on that and I did it in a very respectful way what I said was I understand your reasoning on the low doses I said that's a good dose for somebody just wants to stay in shape look good on the beach get a little boost in the gym but this guy says he wants to be a professional bodybuilder no one is becoming a professional bodybuilder on 300 mg test a week. that's like less than a maintenance dose for most pros. so I went on to say the guy needs at least $750 to 1,000 mg so we can test if you really wants to be a professional bodybuilder that's the question he asked so that was what I was going to answer. that was a mistake or it wasn't a mistake because it showed me what these people were about. right away the guy answered me condescendingly patronizingly attacking me basically saying I know nothing and stay out of his business and then he called me pal now I know that sounds innocuous but I grew up in the South Bronx I was one of the only white kids in the South Bronx I had a fight a lot and if he said that to me in my face I would have took my hands open hand and slap the shit out of him because he's not even worth punching. that's total disrespect you don't disrespect somebody without knowing who he is, absolutely being sure you know what he's saying is wrong and even then you try to temper the disrespect that's how I was brought up. so from there I kept my cool I wrote him in a PM I told him what happened and I told him I don't know how you could turn pro on 300 mg to test a week. he didn't give me any relevant answer all he did was attack me again. so that was it I didn't tell them any of this shit I told you so I told him all of it I was like listen I've been in 15 bodybuilding constitutions I've won every single one except for the national level ones in which I place top three and most of them I said what the hell have you ever done because you look like he look like a swimmer or a runner or a triathlete he didn't look bad he was cut but he definitely didn't look like a bodybuilder at all. I pointed that out again no response. then he made a comment that he knew more about bodybuilding then I ever would or some other bullshit I didn't really read what he wrote it was nonsense so I said to him so you're telling me that my 31 years experience at one of the best gyms in the country working with some of the best bodybuilders in the world teaching me then doing it on my own so many times almost turning pro and probably would have been pro if I didn't take a legal career and I know absolutely nothing. at that point I posted pictures and I'll post a couple pictures below just to show you and I said to him look this is me post a few pictures he told me he was in two little shows in the early 90s I said now pit post your little pictures from the early 90s and we'll put them together and we'll see he never did because he would have looked like a fool. so I dropped that then I asked him a simple question I said if you know so much about body but then you said you train pros he still hasn't told me what prose he trained but he told me you train pros I don't know if that means pro bodybuilders, problem with Marathon runners, pro bike races or swimmers I have no idea but I assumed bodybuilders. so I said if you train so many pro bodybuilders do a simple thing for me and I'll shut up answer me what you would do from 7 days out right up to the prejudging to make sure the guy peeked at the right time. tell me what diuretics you would use and why tell me what kind of carbs you would use and why tell me when you would have him deplete his cards and when you would have him carve up tell him what type of tell me what type of water you would have them drink and how much tell me why you would always keep a vial of injectable Lasik with you and I went on like that and he didn't answer because he didn't know. I mean if he knew and he really was what he says he was why not answer that simple question and shut me the fuck up but he didn't he just deflected it and kept on. at this point I knew the guy was a clown a fucking buffoon so I had had it arguing with the guy so I just stopped but I didn't realize he ran the fucking board and he had these little minions that worship them and they all started attacking me with ridiculous shit and there was pictures that these guys had posted and I'm laughing saying this mother fucker is questioning me are you serious and I told him that I said look at the fucking picture you have up how could you ever question me and I'm not arrogant in any way you'll see I'll be on this board I only want to help people because of the whole YouTube bullshit all these guys dying because he's idiots are going on YouTube and committing suicide by anabolic steroids I mean I don't know how many kids went along with them cuz they don't report that but that was one of the reasons I wanted to come back on to share responsible reasonable use of anabolic etc which is fairly safe actually very safe. so anyway these guys pretty much went at me I went back at them because they really had nothing to say all I had to do was show them a picture and they had to shut the fuck up cuz they had nothing to say about it. then the next day I go in some of my pictures and they obviously fuck with my phone because my pictures are all fucked up but they're backed up in 10,000 different places anyway so it doesn't matter but just the fact that they would go through that much trouble to get into my phone and fuck with me like that they must be really fucking bored. and all because I answered a damn question and when against this guy Dylan's recommendation that's what it was all about. he's like some kind of God on there and I'll tell you I think I told you already what the scam is a bunch of 20 something year old guys think this guy Dylan knows everything about everything and I don't know how they think that looking at him because like I said he looks like a swimmer but it seems like they'll buy anything that he's tells them to buy so after every single post he makes about steroids he includes make sure you buy n2 guard to protect your liver and the rest of your body every Post. the the N2 gaurd is like $40 a month for young kids that are probably working for $10 an hour barely making it I mean what a scumbag what a narcissistic fuck that cares about nothing but himself and I told them that I told him he's a narcissist and possibly a pathological liar and a psychopath now I don't mean a serial killer psychopath I mean a psychopath I said he can't feel empathy or sympathy for anybody that he only cares about himself. and that's how it ended I wrote one more post to tell and this is the fucked up thing listen to this I was on there 2 weeks and 2 weeks into it I got a private message from somebody on there somebody that runs the place that probably didn't know what was going on I mean telling saying they've increased my access to the site and I had no idea what that meant so I asked him and he said be quiet about it because I'm not supposed to do it so soon but your post is so informative and are helping so many people that I've given you more access to your inbox and you're able to write more in each post. I was also starting a log there one that people are following like I've never seen anybody follow a lot they were actually posting shit like when is the next update when is the next update these kids are starving for real information because they're getting bullshit here this other guy is probably going to lose his job over this that gave me access to more perks or whatever I didn't even ask for it. anyway evolutionary.org stay the fuck away it's a scam.

other than all that I'm glad to be on here and I would be happy to add to this form as much as I possibly can.

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yeah I'm sorry for such a long post but that whole thing would evolutionary.org got out of hand and it was a lot to write and I really wanted to write it down to make sure nobody else goes through some bullshit like that

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I'll read it later when I have the time and patience...but very glad you are here. I'm sure you'll get a lot from all this knowledge
 

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Sounds like some places I have heard of. Allot of guys left other forums because of shady shit that was going on and the mods were covering for them. I have never had experience with anywhere else but here. So far too me this place is fair and people have no problem calling bullshit. I did a quick read threw and I'll go back to fully read it. Sounds like another shitty site taking advantage of people's money. And giving piss poor advice. Thanks for sharing.
 
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I'm new to here I've never used this board before but I've been told told to. I've been laid up for a little more than 2 years first because of covid like everybody else and second because I needed a cornea transplant which took an entire year to complete and then another half a year to recover but I'm okay now. I'm back training again it's been 4 months now and I feel good again and I got really depressed throughout this littlehealth scare.

I'm really making this post to introduce myself and also to give you guys a warning. if you don't know already. a

I started competing in the NPC at 17
years old, I got my first flex magazine when I was 12 and from that day the only thing I wanted to be was a professional bodybuilder. the closest gym to mez I lived in New Jersey, was Diamond Gym which was the luckiest thing that ever could happen to me. They wouldn't let me join till I was 16 so my dad had some weights so I started training at about 13 with what he had so I had a little bit of a base when I did join Diamond gym at 16.

if nobody knows what Diamond gym is or heard of it never heard anything about it think of Venice golds on the East Coast. it's a world famous gym and I'm sure a lot of people on here have heard of it it's in Somerset New Jersey and it's produced more pros and amateur top amateurs and famous faces and bodybuilding maybe more than Venice California. I joined there at 16 and suddenly I'm walking around this gym and I'm seeing Rich Gaspari, Vinny galante, Guy DuCasey, Carla Dunlap, a young Jason Arntz, his training partner Bo Matlock who would have been Mr Olympia 10 times over if he didn't have health problems, Andy Dinetta who I went to school with and turned pro in 1996 and I could go on and on and on like this that place was full of top amateurs and pros and I've never seen anything like it since or before.

like I said I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder so this was the perfect environment.
I was done with my workout and just sitting at the juice bar one day when a guy I knew but didn't know well was talking to somebody else his name was John Trottee and he was going to do the Nationals he was seventh as a light heavyweight year before and he was saying how he needs a training partner but he has to work out at 5:00 a.m. and nobody wants to meet him that early. I tapped him on the shoulder and said Mr trotmtee I was 17 at the time I said if you want to train at 3:00 a.m. I'll be here at 2:45. and he said are you serious I said I'm dead serious so he said okay be here everyday at 6:45 and from that point on I trained with him for 3 years. A national level NPC bodybuilder who had been in iron Man magazine once had a bunch of write-ups on him a great bodybuilder the best legs I still have ever seen to this day. but most important what I learned from him over those three years was invaluable I learned everything from him how to eat, how to train, how to use drugs in the safest most responsible way and still get the gains you need. he talked me into doing the teenage New Jersey in April of 1990 and I didn't want to do it at first cuz I didn't think I was ready I had never done a cycle yet I had never touched that. but he convinced me and he gave me a very small amount of drugs what I took for that show was 200 mg of deca 50 mg three times a week of winny injectable and 10 mg of halo for 3 weeks before the show no diuretics nothing else. 23 guys in teenage class I placed second. The guy who won was unbelievable would have been a pro probably would have been a good pro but he got into the head drugs and ended up at rikers Island and he's upstate New York now now it's some prison it's a shame I write him still we got to be really good friends after the show so every once in awhile I send him a letter. once I did that show I was done I already knew I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder but now I got on stage and now I was getting praise left and right how good I looked I'm only 17 Jesus Christ all these types of things so I knew I was going to compete the year after that the year after that the year after that until I couldn't anymore. I did the teenage New Jersey again at 18 and that time I won I went to the the teen Nationals and I placed third. at 19 I didn't compete I took the year off to train cuz I knew I was going to have to do the men's at 20 and I was going to have to be a lot bigger. I did the New Jersey state championships at 20 years old and I came in forth. by 1993 I did the New Jersey state championships again as a middleweight at 169 lb middleweight so a light middleweight and I won easily all first place votes I never expected it because at the time the New Jersey state championship was the second biggest state championship in the country next to California and everybody that one that show went straight to the junior USA which is usually a week or two later. which I did I went to the junior USA two weeks later and I came in I believe third I did the junior USA twice one time I came in second one time I came in third so I think I came in third the first time so at like 22 years old I had won to state championship and I had placed in an NPC national level contest. again all the praise all that you're going to be great all this other bullshit just fueled me. af

after that I started doing saller shows I knew I wasn't ready for a big show like the USA the Nationals or even the junior Nationals so I was doing shows around the area, the Bev Francis show different shows like that and I won my class every time. plus 3 overall everyone I won three overalls as a middleweight. Finally, at 25, I decided to do the junior Nationals and I placed second. after that I did the USA and placed 7th which I was ecstatic about that I made the top 10 out of like almost 50 guys.

A year just blew my mind. I did the USA again and was sixth but the thing is I place one point behind Danny Hester. I had been looking at Danny Hester in magazines for years out of anybody out there he had the closest physique to my own and I idolize the guy he was like 5 years older than me it was surreal just seeing him pump up backstage and I figured he would kill me it wouldn't be close so to see that score sheet and I was only one point behind him, being 5th made no difference i was competitive with Danny Hester. I was so happy for a guy that didn't make the top five.

at that point I was also going to law school at the time and I had a decision to make it was either I was going to graduate law school either way but it was either pursue a legal career or don't and bet everything on bodybuilding now I think everybody here reading this knows it would be a very stupid thing to bet it all on bodybuilding, I was not Flex Wheeler. when you have a job like an attorney sitting in front of you. so I had to retire and that was the last show I ever did. do I regret it no because I'm 50 years old and I'm retired. I hated law school I hated being a lawyer could not stand it and when I realized it was never going to change what I did was decided I was going to work as much as possible so I can retire as soon as possible and that's what I did I was able to retire at 45 I have enough money for the rest of my life and that's why now I'm training again with my eyes on the Masters Nationals cuz I've always wanted to do another contest I didn't go out on my own terms at least if I do one more it'll be going out on my own terms. so that's my bodybuilding story now let's get on to this evolutionary.org debacle.

before I suffered all my injuries I was active on several boards I was actually a rep for a few places. I actually worked very close with a couple of the owners of these places. a lot of people knew me I changed my username so you might not recognize me I want to start over. but when I decided to come back I wanted to try something different I signed up for this evolutionary.org I'm going to give you advice right now don't ever go near that place and I'm going to tell you why. first of all it's not a real bodybuilding for him what it is is it's run by a few guys that use it as a conduit to get the trust of young 20 somethings and push their products on them like something called n2 guard. and two guard is supposed to stop all the side effects from any steroid now think about that. if there was a set of supplements but if put together that would mitigate any side effects from steroids don't you think a pharmaceutical company would own it and be making billions of dollars outfit here and it would be by prescription that some little obscure message board wouldn't be the only place you could get it. I looked into the ingredients and you'd be better off taking a handful of parsley today that shit is not going to protect you from anything it's pure skin and they do it with several other products also. I didn't call him out on that though what happened was a guy rode in saying he wanted to be a professional bodybuilder and he wanted to know what type of doses professional bodybuilders usually need. there's a guy named Dylan and I didn't know what the time but he's actually the leader of this fucking ridiculous place he answered and his answer was ridiculously stupid he actually told the guy he only need 300 mg of test a week to be a professional bodybuilder I couldn't help myself but to comment on that and I did it in a very respectful way what I said was I understand your reasoning on the low doses I said that's a good dose for somebody just wants to stay in shape look good on the beach get a little boost in the gym but this guy says he wants to be a professional bodybuilder no one is becoming a professional bodybuilder on 300 mg test a week. that's like less than a maintenance dose for most pros. so I went on to say the guy needs at least $750 to 1,000 mg so we can test if you really wants to be a professional bodybuilder that's the question he asked so that was what I was going to answer. that was a mistake or it wasn't a mistake because it showed me what these people were about. right away the guy answered me condescendingly patronizingly attacking me basically saying I know nothing and stay out of his business and then he called me pal now I know that sounds innocuous but I grew up in the South Bronx I was one of the only white kids in the South Bronx I had a fight a lot and if he said that to me in my face I would have took my hands open hand and slap the shit out of him because he's not even worth punching. that's total disrespect you don't disrespect somebody without knowing who he is, absolutely being sure you know what he's saying is wrong and even then you try to temper the disrespect that's how I was brought up. so from there I kept my cool I wrote him in a PM I told him what happened and I told him I don't know how you could turn pro on 300 mg to test a week. he didn't give me any relevant answer all he did was attack me again. so that was it I didn't tell them any of this shit I told you so I told him all of it I was like listen I've been in 15 bodybuilding constitutions I've won every single one except for the national level ones in which I place top three and most of them I said what the hell have you ever done because you look like he look like a swimmer or a runner or a triathlete he didn't look bad he was cut but he definitely didn't look like a bodybuilder at all. I pointed that out again no response. then he made a comment that he knew more about bodybuilding then I ever would or some other bullshit I didn't really read what he wrote it was nonsense so I said to him so you're telling me that my 31 years experience at one of the best gyms in the country working with some of the best bodybuilders in the world teaching me then doing it on my own so many times almost turning pro and probably would have been pro if I didn't take a legal career and I know absolutely nothing. at that point I posted pictures and I'll post a couple pictures below just to show you and I said to him look this is me post a few pictures he told me he was in two little shows in the early 90s I said now pit post your little pictures from the early 90s and we'll put them together and we'll see he never did because he would have looked like a fool. so I dropped that then I asked him a simple question I said if you know so much about body but then you said you train pros he still hasn't told me what prose he trained but he told me you train pros I don't know if that means pro bodybuilders, problem with Marathon runners, pro bike races or swimmers I have no idea but I assumed bodybuilders. so I said if you train so many pro bodybuilders do a simple thing for me and I'll shut up answer me what you would do from 7 days out right up to the prejudging to make sure the guy peeked at the right time. tell me what diuretics you would use and why tell me what kind of carbs you would use and why tell me when you would have him deplete his cards and when you would have him carve up tell him what type of tell me what type of water you would have them drink and how much tell me why you would always keep a vial of injectable Lasik with you and I went on like that and he didn't answer because he didn't know. I mean if he knew and he really was what he says he was why not answer that simple question and shut me the fuck up but he didn't he just deflected it and kept on. at this point I knew the guy was a clown a fucking buffoon so I had had it arguing with the guy so I just stopped but I didn't realize he ran the fucking board and he had these little minions that worship them and they all started attacking me with ridiculous shit and there was pictures that these guys had posted and I'm laughing saying this mother fucker is questioning me are you serious and I told him that I said look at the fucking picture you have up how could you ever question me and I'm not arrogant in any way you'll see I'll be on this board I only want to help people because of the whole YouTube bullshit all these guys dying because he's idiots are going on YouTube and committing suicide by anabolic steroids I mean I don't know how many kids went along with them cuz they don't report that but that was one of the reasons I wanted to come back on to share responsible reasonable use of anabolic etc which is fairly safe actually very safe. so anyway these guys pretty much went at me I went back at them because they really had nothing to say all I had to do was show them a picture and they had to shut the fuck up cuz they had nothing to say about it. then the next day I go in some of my pictures and they obviously fuck with my phone because my pictures are all fucked up but they're backed up in 10,000 different places anyway so it doesn't matter but just the fact that they would go through that much trouble to get into my phone and fuck with me like that they must be really fucking bored. and all because I answered a damn question and when against this guy Dylan's recommendation that's what it was all about. he's like some kind of God on there and I'll tell you I think I told you already what the scam is a bunch of 20 something year old guys think this guy Dylan knows everything about everything and I don't know how they think that looking at him because like I said he looks like a swimmer but it seems like they'll buy anything that he's tells them to buy so after every single post he makes about steroids he includes make sure you buy n2 guard to protect your liver and the rest of your body every Post. the the N2 gaurd is like $40 a month for young kids that are probably working for $10 an hour barely making it I mean what a scumbag what a narcissistic fuck that cares about nothing but himself and I told them that I told him he's a narcissist and possibly a pathological liar and a psychopath now I don't mean a serial killer psychopath I mean a psychopath I said he can't feel empathy or sympathy for anybody that he only cares about himself. and that's how it ended I wrote one more post to tell and this is the fucked up thing listen to this I was on there 2 weeks and 2 weeks into it I got a private message from somebody on there somebody that runs the place that probably didn't know what was going on I mean telling saying they've increased my access to the site and I had no idea what that meant so I asked him and he said be quiet about it because I'm not supposed to do it so soon but your post is so informative and are helping so many people that I've given you more access to your inbox and you're able to write more in each post. I was also starting a log there one that people are following like I've never seen anybody follow a lot they were actually posting shit like when is the next update when is the next update these kids are starving for real information because they're getting bullshit here this other guy is probably going to lose his job over this that gave me access to more perks or whatever I didn't even ask for it. anyway evolutionary.org stay the fuck away it's a scam.

other than all that I'm glad to be on here and I would be happy to add to this form as much as I possibly can.

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Welcome. Everyone here, along with many other forums knows Evolutionary is crap and Dylan G is a liar and piece of trash. It's unfortunate many people do not know better, however there are many of the same people on other scamming and corrupt forums.
 

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Wow... An auto-biography. Kudos to you for going above and beyond with the introduction.

Welcome to the understand. 😎
 

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OMG. I read 2 words of that.
Welcome to UGBB.
 

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Welcome to the Underground :cool: Impressive intro. You will love it here.
 

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My eyes hurt. They hurt bad. 😵
 

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Howdy , ill pick up the cliff notes once they are available !
 
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yeah I'm sorry for such a long post but that whole thing would evolutionary.org got out of hand and it was a lot to write and I really wanted to write it down to make sure nobody else goes through some bullshit like that

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It's a good story. So much so that I'm taking the time to format it into more digestible paragraphs so everyone else can enjoy it.
 
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I'll read it later when I have the time and patience...but very glad you are here. I'm sure you'll get a lot from all this knowledge
sorry it's so long it's mostly about my experience on evolutionary.org which was fucking horrible and I wanted to warn other people not to go on that site it's not a real forum it's a place that a couple of people basically push useless supplements on the 20 and 30 year olds that don't know any better

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Wow... An auto-biography. Kudos to you for going above and beyond with the introduction.

Welcome to the understand.
I know it was long but I had to get it out there about an evolutionary.com I mean it was so bad now I'm 50 years old and very experienced but you take a 20 something even early 30 something that is desperate to put on muscle and you get them to believe that these guys know exactly how to do it and then they're pushing these useless supplements at $40 a month they're making a fortune off of these kids and you know when you're not age you barely have any money it's fucking crying but I'm sorry it was so long

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It's a good story. So much so that I'm taking the time to format it into more digestible paragraphs so everyone else can enjoy it.
yeah I'm sorry about that too I had a cornea transplant this year and my eyes are still not healed enough to type so I have to talk into the phone which makes it very hard to correctly format any kind of input or post. so I'm sorry in a lot of regards sorry I was so long I'm sorry if they were spelling hours because the talk to text sucks and I'm sorry about the paragraphs I just thought that people should know about this place because it's robbing people it's giving horrible advice and the guy that runs it is a total narcissistic fuck that I think is a psychopath actually

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