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[Zums987]

If that pace is kept up, it adds up to $26b per year, which is still only .00385 of the budget. Just over 1/3rd of 1%. Meaningless.

That's how ridiculous our spending is. It's still not enough.

Absolutely, totally out of control

 

[Big-paul]

Do you guys think the ceasefire will work?

For some reason, it's nothing more than a footnote on every channel that Netanyahu still has to officially agree to the terms of the ceasefire tomorrow.

Bro has any cease fire ever worked ? It is an opportunity to regroup and get stronger for your enemy when you have him on the ground and you should be removing every tooth from his sorry mouth

At times like this it is important to remember who started the war.

If someone raped my brother and his family and when it was over they were burned alive, those cocksuckers would not be safe anywhere on the face of this earth.

That is what has happened, like it or not. Wrong or right, that is exactly how it would go down

 

[Diesel59]

Bro has any cease fire ever worked ? It is an opportunity to regroup and get stronger for your enemy when you have him on the ground and you should be removing every tooth from his sorry mouth

At times like this it is important to remember who started the war.

If someone raped my brother and his family and when it was over they were burned alive, those cocksuckers would not be safe anywhere on the face of this earth.

That is what has happened, like it or not. Wrong or right, that is exactly how it would go down

I understand what you're saying here.

But how does letting hundreds of thousands of people back into the areas help Israel? These are the areas that were previously depopulated and occupied by the IDF.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to keep firing, and then have Trump say the same stuff he's been saying the last few days?

I understand the ceasefire allows Trump to frame this as some sort of humanitarian cause for the Palestinian people, and if Israel was still firing away he wouldn't be able to do that. But it's a moot point when almost no countries are buying what Trump is selling here anyway.

 

[Hughinn]

First look at it I don’t like it, but there’s been 1 President in my lifetime that had no wars & it was Trump. From what I read Trump said there will be no troops needed, now if he’s lying we’ll see. But after what this country has been through the last 4 years I’m very excited about our future. Hughinn..I’m not here to debate the Israel Palestinian conflict with you as you obviously know a lot about it. They can both go fuck themselves as far as I’m concerned

I get you buddy, and I agree for the most part

The point I want to get across though is that bad foreign policy and military spending on useless occupations and nation building is way more expensive than the bs they've cut so far

Let's hope they cut it out too

It just doesn't look like Trump is interested

 

[Hughinn]

Bro has any cease fire ever worked ? It is an opportunity to regroup and get stronger for your enemy when you have him on the ground and you should be removing every tooth from his sorry mouth

At times like this it is important to remember who started the war.

If someone raped my brother and his family and when it was over they were burned alive, those cocksuckers would not be safe anywhere on the face of this earth.

That is what has happened, like it or not. Wrong or right, that is exactly how it would go down

Israel started the war by robbing the homes and property of 750k Palestinians and herding them into refugee camps to be warehoused and guarded by snipers in order to make room for European jews big Paul

Let's not forget Israel started this, and as long as Israel keeps these millions of people locked up and denies them freedom of movement and independence., while simultaneously illegally settling more and more of thier land each year, then there will always be a hamas or Hezbollah to resist and there will be another Oct 7 2023

If you watched your father get beaten and executed in the street, for resisting being evicted illegally from your family home at gunpoint, then your mother and two baby sisters humiliated and marched into a refugee camp to be confined to a tent behind razor wire walls and guards with machine guns, there's no telling what you might do

I'm saying here that Israel started this, there's no arguments to made factually against that assertion. It's a fact

But that doesn't excuse the barbaric actions of any side here either

Like @Test_subject pointed out, occupation doesn't ever bring peace. Giving up illegally occupied territory would be a start for peace, but peace was never Israel's goal

And until the Palestinians are free to move around and express themselves inside of the Levant with the same rights and freedom as Israelis, insread of confined in prison compounds and tortured, then there will be a hamas And another Oct 7

And it's because of Israel

 

[Hughinn]

I understand what you're saying here.

But how does letting hundreds of thousands of people back into the areas help Israel? These are the areas that were previously depopulated and occupied by the IDF.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to keep firing, and then have Trump say the same stuff he's been saying the last few days?

I understand the ceasefire allows Trump to frame this as some sort of humanitarian cause for the Palestinian people, and if Israel was still firing away he wouldn't be able to do that. But it's a moot point when almost no countries are buying what Trump is selling here anyway.

Exactly

Israel has been trying to drive out, kill or expel the Palestinian population for more than 70 years of constant occupation.

They've destroyed gaza, Golan Heights and other areas before and attempted to drive out the Palestinians to same neighboring countries Trump is talking about and it's never worked

Let's face it, a rich state of bankers, media moguls and lobbyists with a modern military and an iron dome doesn't have to mass murder a captive population of defenseless women and children to defend themselves.

Hamas, was zero real threat to the Israeli's regime in Tel Aviv. But the millions of Palestinians warehoused in permanent refugee camps and it's apartheid policies are a scar on the legitimacy of the Israeli state on the world stage that wasn't going to be covered up or go away.

The intention of Israel was/is to terrorize and murder enough Palestinians that they'll just flee and Israel can occupied all of it

 

[Hughinn]

I'd just like to point out some simple logic and observable truth here guys, to keep this from turning emotional for some people

Hamas is not a formal military or government...OK. it's an inmate prison gang running the yard of the penitentiary Isreal created and controls to warehouse the Palestinians it robbed to create room for European jews

Now, those are the facts. As ugly as it might seem to say, it's the truth

Hamas, is the inevitable result of the actions of Isreal robbing the Palestinians and the conditions created by warehousing them by force

It's not complicated, you occupy people, they will resist and fight against you any way they can. It will always produce an IRA, FATAH, FLN or a hamas, every single time

October 7 was a prison break, where the inmates ran amok. How this happened in the highest state of surveillance place in the world is up for debate, but nothing else so far is.

October 7 2023 was NOT where this started. It's just not honest or informed to say so. Oct 7 was certainly an escalation, but it was an escalation to a conflict over 70 years old. In parallel to this, 2023 was going to set a record for the number of Palestinians killed in illegegal settlement expansions by Israel even prior to the bombing of gaza

Simply put, Oct 7 2023 was not where this started

Next, the subsequent bombing and mass murdering campaign conducted by Israel was simply a brutal form of collective punishment designed to terrorize the Palestinian people. Murder thier loved ones, destroy thier communities, homes and livelihoods. Take away any dreams or chance of any future

It's be expelled, or die. That's the choice Israel is giving the people it robbed to create it's state and that's the policy Trump has chosen to support

And none of this is meant to excuse anything hamas or Israel has done.

Its just to add clarity and eliminate emotions from the observable reality we're seeing here

 

[Jeffgoldblumlipswork]

The bastard went from promising to end the wars in the middl east, to occupying gaza to help Israel fight them

Bibi went from being a warmongering idiot, to putting a collar on all of congress and bibi holding the leash

Disgusting

....were you really expecting someone to end the middle east conflict?

 

[Jeffgoldblumlipswork]

Like spending 20 years in Afghanistan trying to convince tribal Afghan people to be good little democrats. What a waste that was

It's a waste if you believe this was the earnest goal.

 

[Bro Bundy]

Man I don’t know what the fuck trump is doing .. I’m not an idiot I don’t follow blindly. I didn’t vote to make Gaza great

 

[Hughinn]

....were you really expecting someone to end the middle east conflict?

Honestly man, I just wanted Trump to get us out of it.

I've extensively studied the Israeli-palestine conflict and understand that there's no right side in it.

And I just don't see any reason for America to support Israel in it's endeavor to own the entire Levant for it's little ethno supremacist state of chosen ones, at all. There's no benifit whatsoever for us as Americans and especially as Christians

So I don't expect that conflict to end, I just don't think we have a place in it.

I know this much, if we stop supporting the maniacs in Israel with weapons, protection and money, they'd either make peace with the arabs, or they'd be gone. And I don't see Israel as a benifit to the world or America if all the results are going to be is endless war and suffering

As an American, I see that we wouldn't have enemies in the middle east, without Israel and it's created enemies

I just want our involvement to stop

 

[Hughinn]

It's a waste if you believe this was the earnest goal.

Of course I don't believe that

I don't believe that anymore than I believe our support of Israel has anything to do with democracy or justice or biblical obligation as Christians

Because as Christians, we we're told by Jesus Christ that the way to peace was to blur the lines between jews and gentiles, black and white and treat each other like ourselves and love our neighbors

As Americans, we were told by our founders to avoid foreign entanglements in complex conflics and focus on us as an independent nation state and a unique people

That's not what Israel is all about. Israel is determined to dominate the Levant for thier own definition of the chosen ones. Entitledvto ruling the earth as they see fit as emissaries of God himself

To an American Christian, there are no chosen ones and anyone who accepts the teachings of Jesus Christ is a brother and equa who has access to the grace of God, no matter who or what he was born into, because we are born again in our worship of Jesus, not to jews, bankers or empire

Just like the apostles who met the Ethiopian eunuch on the road and understood that he was thier brother in faith and that the jews around them were not. Even though they were born jews themselves

There's no reason, politically or spiritually for us to be involved here. It's just greed, corruption and money driving it. None of which helps the average American, whether that American is a practicing jew, Muslim or Christian of any color

 

[Hughinn]

Man I don’t know what the fuck trump is doing .. I’m not an idiot I don’t follow blindly. I didn’t vote to make Gaza great

Yessir

Nor did I vote to make Israel great or combine with Israel to be an empire

America. Our home and independent nation state was supposed to be the goal

Not a global empire of banking interests and military might

 

[Diesel59]

Yessir

Nor did I vote to make Israel great or combine with Israel to be an empire

America. Our home and independent nation state was supposed to be the goal

Not a global empire of banking interests and military might

I guess some people love the fantasy of the US controlling Canada, Greenland, Denmark and Gaza.

 

[MarekBocanek]

Screw Israel, this is important, maybe new business route soon.

MSN

 

[Yano]

I guess some people love the fantasy of the US controlling Canada, Greenland, Denmark and Gaza.

N'azi's love to expand and take over land that isn't there's , this is no surprise.

 

[Diesel59]

N'azi's love to expand and take over land that isn't there's , this is no surprise.

Manifest Destiny reborn.

Remember that Hitler's "living space" idea was at least partly inspired by our very own westward expansion.

 

[Hughinn]

Manifest Destiny reborn.

Remember that Hitler's "living space" idea was at least partly inspired by our very own westward expansion.

Even before the bombing of gaza, Israel was setting a record for illegal settlements and violent murders of Palestinians at the hands of fanatical Israeli backed "settlers"

And everyone is still talking about nazis.

Israel Is Seizing a Record Amount of Palestinian Land in the West Bank. The Implications for Peace Are Dire.

This Q&A is part of a Century International series exploring a shared future for Palestine and Israel that guarantees the fundamental rights of both

tcf.org

 

[Hughinn]

 

[Test_subject]

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I agree in principle, but that’s kind of misleading.

The “chosen people” thing comes from the Torah, and, like with most religions things, it has been grossly perverted from its original meaning to justify atrocities.

It’s a 3000 year old concept that has been adopted by psychopaths.