PLEASE READ: Board culture and member conduct

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This is a living post; and may be updated as time continues.

I thought this would be good to help new members navigate the culture of the board, how to conduct themselves, and also remind existing members of what UGBB is about. It might also add some clarity on the intention behind some of our rules pertaining to respecting members.

Think of this as a companion to the official forum rules; particularly when it comes to interacting with forum members.

1. Read, or re-read, and familiarize yourself with the forum rules. We do not have many rules, and the ones we do have are there to promote meaningful interactions and discussions.


2. Do not use status level as a way to assert superiority over other members. Status level does not mean anyone is above the rules or receiving consequences.

Status level can be achieved through being knowledgeable or being helpful in general (not necessarily the same thing), or through other contributions to the board. It is not a ranking system to decide one member is worth less than another member.

3. If we issue a warning via the forum system, then it will give you a general reason why and a link to the post in question. Take that as an opportunity to back off. Failure to do so will probably result in a ban of some type for some or multiple members that might be involved (thread ban, temp forum ban, or permanent ban).

4. Don't provoke other members or instigate attacks/fights. We understand things can get heated, and we take this into account. We do give members breathing room to resolve things on their own. However understand that depending on the situation it can result in a thread ban, temporary forum ban, or permanent ban for some or multiple members that might be involved. Especially if it ends up causing forum wide disruption.

5. The actual intentions of text on a screen can often be misinterpreted. Similar to #4, if you aren't sure if someone is intentionally provoking you then try asking a clarifying question; such as "I'm not sure what you mean, can you explain?". Simply asking a question can help give proper context, and avoid a fight over nothing.

6. Make use of the report button whenever you suspect a genuine troll, see rule violations, etc. This helps forum staff to prioritize posts that need to be reviewed. Using the report function only serves to increase the quality of the forum. Staff will review each report and decide what action, if any, is necessary.

7. PM moderators whenever you want. Whether it's a general question, or to report something that can't be reported on (e.g. spamming of negative reactions), our door is always open.

8. Any public attacks against staff, the board, or any of it's members won't be tolerated. The same is true in regards to publicly arguing over actions taken by Staff members. Staff does welcome complaints or feedback via PM; this helps to improve the forum, and conversations are much more constructive when managed in a PM.

This is already covered in the formal rules, but be aware that failure to comply may result in posts being deleted, or action taken.
 

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So why are Mods above public reproach?

Do you not see the problem with that? If non of the issues are dealt with openly for all to see it gives the impression that staff can steer the direction of the board and "culture" behind the scenes.


(This is not a public attack)
 

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So why are Mods above public reproach?

Do you not see the problem with that? If non of the issues are dealt with openly for all to see it gives the impression that staff can steer the direction of the board and "culture" behind the scenes.


(This is not a public attack)
We must ensure that the moral superiority of our mods is upheld at all times.

Public dissent poisons the culture.

DISCLAIMER: I am simply towing the party line as outlined in the cultural edict posted above. Satire is an intolerable affront to the sovereign leadership.
 

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We must ensure that the moral superiority of our mods is upheld at all times.

Public dissent poisons the culture.

DISCLAIMER: I am simply towing the party line as outlined in the cultural edict posted above. Satire is an intolerable affront to the sovereign leadership.
You say this shit in the wrong country and body parts get cut off.
 

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So if bbbg and rir0 were the problem why are the trolls still here? Why these threads on forum culture? We are grown men, not kindergarten kids that need to be told how to act. People will have disagreements and argue especially on a forum with gear driven alpha males. Grow some nads and thicker skin.
 

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So if bbbg and rir0 were the problem why are the trolls still here? Why these threads on forum culture? We are grown men, not kindergarten kids that need to be told how to act. People will have disagreements and argue especially on a forum with gear driven alpha males. Grow some nads and thicker skin.
I don't think anyone's denying the issue with the trolls.

But let's take a step back and look at it from a 10,000 foot view instead of at ground level.

This isn't an attack, accusation or even necessarily my opinion just playing into the conversation you're bringing up.

If you have two members actively causing dissent, regularly causing fights and detracting from the direction and purpose of the forums what is the appropriate course of action in your eyes?

I see there's a large split in the consensus on these issues.
Some say "they need to get thicker skin XYZ" and some say "leave the disrespectful shit off the board completely"

Let's address the thicker skin, grow some balls type of approach.
What does that do for the board? Nothing. It's just introducing more nonsense that has no value added to any conversations.
You have people who are coming to the board looking for knowledge and advice and a place to start but they're being immediately turned away for not being at a certain level.
Since when is this board only for established lifters? What purpose would it serve to be only for people that meet X standard?
At the point it becomes one large echo chamber, it completely takes away from having different perspectives and the ability for people to learn new things. It doesn't allow for people to come here and make progress and build a foundation of knowledge and information.


Additionally, there's a large portion of people who immediately cast down new members who retaliate but nobody here (except for a very few) is willing to cast down those who initiate the disrespect.


The board has taken a direction like a bunch of unruly high schoolers and are being course corrected as such.
The rope was given and we hung ourselves with it.
 

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I don't think anyone's denying the issue with the trolls.

But let's take a step back and look at it from a 10,000 foot view instead of at ground level.

This isn't an attack, accusation or even necessarily my opinion just playing into the conversation you're bringing up.

If you have two members actively causing dissent, regularly causing fights and detracting from the direction and purpose of the forums what is the appropriate course of action in your eyes?

I see there's a large split in the consensus on these issues.
Some say "they need to get thicker skin XYZ" and some say "leave the disrespectful shit off the board completely"

Let's address the thicker skin, grow some balls type of approach.
What does that do for the board? Nothing. It's just introducing more nonsense that has no value added to any conversations.
You have people who are coming to the board looking for knowledge and advice and a place to start but they're being immediately turned away for not being at a certain level.
Since when is this board only for established lifters? What purpose would it serve to be only for people that meet X standard?
At the point it becomes one large echo chamber, it completely takes away from having different perspectives and the ability for people to learn new things. It doesn't allow for people to come here and make progress and build a foundation of knowledge and information.


Additionally, there's a large portion of people who immediately cast down new members who retaliate but nobody here (except for a very few) is willing to cast down those who initiate the disrespect.


The board has taken a direction like a bunch of unruly high schoolers and are being course corrected as such.
The rope was given and we hung ourselves with it.
Except they are not all being turned away. Just the ones who are obviously trolling. For example @Slabiathan . Not a troll and well accepted
 

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I don't think anyone's denying the issue with the trolls.

But let's take a step back and look at it from a 10,000 foot view instead of at ground level.

This isn't an attack, accusation or even necessarily my opinion just playing into the conversation you're bringing up.

If you have two members actively causing dissent, regularly causing fights and detracting from the direction and purpose of the forums what is the appropriate course of action in your eyes?

I see there's a large split in the consensus on these issues.
Some say "they need to get thicker skin XYZ" and some say "leave the disrespectful shit off the board completely"

Let's address the thicker skin, grow some balls type of approach.
What does that do for the board? Nothing. It's just introducing more nonsense that has no value added to any conversations.
You have people who are coming to the board looking for knowledge and advice and a place to start but they're being immediately turned away for not being at a certain level.
Since when is this board only for established lifters? What purpose would it serve to be only for people that meet X standard?
At the point it becomes one large echo chamber, it completely takes away from having different perspectives and the ability for people to learn new things. It doesn't allow for people to come here and make progress and build a foundation of knowledge and information.


Additionally, there's a large portion of people who immediately cast down new members who retaliate but nobody here (except for a very few) is willing to cast down those who initiate the disrespect.


The board has taken a direction like a bunch of unruly high schoolers and are being course corrected as such.
The rope was given and we hung ourselves with it.

Thats pretty dramatic
 

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Just follow the rules, and there won't be any issues. 99% of the members seem to do just fine.

If anyone doesn't like it, well nobody is forcing them to be here.
 

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Except they are not all being turned away. Just the ones who are obviously trolling. For example @Slabiathan . Not a troll and well accepted
I'm not saying it's all, I'm avoiding any generalizations.
There was a number of guys who posted some basic shit and were immediately targeted as trolls.
Thats pretty dramatic
Yes I know, that was the point for the sake of conversation.
If we address it from a dramatized perspective people are typically quicker to come to a decision.
 

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I'm not saying it's all, I'm avoiding any generalizations.
There was a number of guys who posted some basic shit and were immediately targeted as trolls.

Yes I know, that was the point for the sake of conversation.
If we address it from a dramatized perspective people are typically quicker to come to a decision.
Let's leave over dramatics for a forum for manicures and pedicures!
 

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Let's leave over dramatics for a forum for manicures and pedicures!
So the constant whining and dramatizing "how sensitive everyone is" isn't also in the same vein?
Im playing the devil's advocate here a bit as usual.
The conversation when it's against a common enemy seems to be fine to dramatize, but when it's the inverse it's shut down.
 

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Ok if one guy says the sky is green and 10 guys say it is blue, then the 1 guy argues and cries and whines the other 10 should coddle him....Sorry fuck that!
 

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Ok if one guy says the sky is green and 10 guys say it is blue, then the 1 guy argues and cries and whines the other 10 should coddle him....Sorry fuck that!
Nobody is saying that lol.
My entire point is to look at things from the other perspective which so many folks seem to just completely ignore.
You have two mods and mugzy who are responsible for constantly towing the line and say 20 consistent posters who are constantly challenging their viewpoint instead of looking at both sides of the coin.

I'm not playing either side of the fence or casting down anyone's opinion or perspective of the situation just stating there's other things to be looked at besides your ground level view point. (not just you specifically, everyone, me included)

There's a large middle ground we're completely ignoring in a lot of these situations.
 

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