Crido's Log Volume 1

[crido887]

I really wanted the VIT d , CRP, a1c, lipids, cbc, and cmp. just had some extra stuff.

When I go on my cruise and my FSA resets, ill get some more in depth testing

 

[crido887]

in terms of my progress. I am weighing at 222-223. I had bloods done today. Groin pain is seeming to resolve quite well.

Mental note: probably more of a rant.

I am all for scienced backed information, I love studies but as we all know there is a point of applicable information. There is a problem with the community which most people will agree that some people are too science based without lifting and there are some people who do not understand the science and train well.

Both sides of these people can be completely irrational of saying "well the studies dont say this"

or "well I am this size and this is how its done"

but JFC. I think my patience is wearing thin because of these jack asses. both sides are so important but I cant believe I am calling some of these people "twinks" who waste so much time quoting studies but have no application.

I started having an understanding of why people just say eat, lift heavy, and inject a reasonable AAS. monitor labs, be consistent. it isnt that hard, I am probably still far from that point where it gets complicated.


Dont get me wrong, I love the science of everything, the history, purpose, ancillary uses of the drugs. but holy shit. some people need to shut the fuck up and learn the basics of the weight room. Tired of seeing 5'10 150 lb people tell me how drugs work. Especially when they have little understand of lab values.

 

[lukiss96]

Dont get me wrong, I love the science of everything, the history, purpose, ancillary uses of the drugs. but holy shit. some people need to shut the fuck up and learn the basics of the weight room. Tired of seeing 5'10 150 lb people tell me how drugs work. Especially when they have little understand of lab values.

Homie why are you so angry? What are those 150lbs people?

Post training and diet logs and just listen to guys you feel you need to listen to...

 

[Reader591]

in terms of my progress. I am weighing at 222-223. I had bloods done today. Groin pain is seeming to resolve quite well.

Mental note: probably more of a rant.

I am all for scienced backed information, I love studies but as we all know there is a point of applicable information. There is a problem with the community which most people will agree that some people are too science based without lifting and there are some people who do not understand the science and train well.

Both sides of these people can be completely irrational of saying "well the studies dont say this"

or "well I am this size and this is how its done"

but JFC. I think my patience is wearing thin because of these jack asses. both sides are so important but I cant believe I am calling some of these people "twinks" who waste so much time quoting studies but have no application.

I started having an understanding of why people just say eat, lift heavy, and inject a reasonable AAS. monitor labs, be consistent. it isnt that hard, I am probably still far from that point where it gets complicated.


Dont get me wrong, I love the science of everything, the history, purpose, ancillary uses of the drugs. but holy shit. some people need to shut the fuck up and learn the basics of the weight room. Tired of seeing 5'10 150 lb people tell me how drugs work. Especially when they have little understand of lab values.

I understand how you feel. I haven’t even reached the inject state really quite yet, but just keep it simple. Eat, lift, sleep, repeat. No reason to get too complicated. Work hard, don’t go overboard and think more is better always, and don’t be lazy. But #1 above all is stay consistent, and #2 is always learn in my opinion.

. Of course studies are great, and can help back your claim….. but they can also manipulate a study and its outcome to say what they want, or you can cherry pick studies to back a wild claim. People need to learn how to blend science based with wisdom. I understand you shouldn’t always do something simply because it’s always been done that way, but if a lot of people have success doing it that way, it may not be the worst. Continue to learn, and adjust for yourself. Learn your body, and what works for you. This is for some reason so hard to actually teach to people. They just want to be told what to do and put zero thought into it. Not very effective that way.

But you can’t let everyone’s .02 rule you or get under your skin. Everyone has their opinions, you learn whose opinions to respect.

 

[crido887]

Homie why are you so angry? What are those 150lbs people?

Post training and diet logs and just listen to guys you feel you need to listen to...

It's just a rant from meso. I try to let my anger out on the internet. Some medical student that can read all the books and not understand application.

I think it applies to my personal life when you deal with new PhD graduates that do not understand how application and variables in the real world. Not everything is in a controlled environment

I just try to let me anger out on the internet vs in person. Obviously never would at my wife .

I do think I need to learn to meditate. I have noticed more negative thoughts that need to be refuted by logic.

I am heading to week 9 of my cycle. Tren or not, I start feeling mental fatigue from the cycles around this time.

 

[lukiss96]

It's just a rant from meso. I try to let my anger out on the internet. Some medical student that can read all the books and not understand application.

I think it applies to my personal life when you deal with new PhD graduates that do not understand how application and variables in the real world. Not everything is in a controlled environment

I just try to let me anger out on the internet vs in person. Obviously never would at my wife .

I do think I need to learn to meditate. I have noticed more negative thoughts that need to be refuted by logic.

I am heading to week 9 of my cycle. Tren or not, I start feeling mental fatigue from the cycles around this time.

I think I know who you are referring to and if that's the guy, then it's just MPMD and such viewer repeating what he has learned lol...

A fresh leutenant can learn a lot from experienced soldier.

Yes, your wife deserves a good time, not a fight because of some stupid forum member...

Perhaps, or try to find something that you find relaxing and make it a habit.

Tren or 19 nors surely contribute to it, hence why I think cruise even at low dose is not possible long term with them, I told this to 0ml on meso too, I think he abandoned this idea, I have tried this myself and it just doesn't work.

 

[crido887]

I think I know who you are referring to and if that's the guy, then it's just MPMD and such viewer repeating what he has learned lol...

A fresh leutenant can learn a lot from experienced soldier.

Yes, your wife deserves a good time, not a fight because of some stupid forum member...

Perhaps, or try to find something that you find relaxing and make it a habit.

Tren or 19 nors surely contribute to it, hence why I think cruise even at low dose is not possible long term with them, I told this to 0ml on meso too, I think he abandoned this idea, I have tried this myself and it just doesn't work.

I am starting to realize. Tren or not, I need to incorporate some meditation exercises. Just quiet reflection.

My professionalism at work is still there.

@Oml did abandon it. Never said why exactly.


This guy was on tren for a year. I don't follow his logic for safety on his liver because things can be liver toxic and not stress it. But he said 50mg had no sides and all benefits.
I have had a dialogue with him. He is off the tren right now but he has a great run on it.
He said he won't go higher than 200 ever again.

I know his sources too.

 

[Oml]

I am starting to realize. Tren or not, I need to incorporate some meditation exercises. Just quiet reflection.

My professionalism at work is still there.

@Oml did abandon it. Never said why exactly.


This guy was on tren for a year. I don't follow his logic for safety on his liver because things can be liver toxic and not stress it. But he said 50mg had no sides and all benefits.
I have had a dialogue with him. He is off the tren right now but he has a great run on it.
He said he won't go higher than 200 ever again.

I know his sources too.

Trenbolone makes me think, and it made me talk.

While I was taking it the first time my wife told me she wasn’t attracted to men, and that she was only attracted to women. I wasn’t capable of processing this on the Tren. I questioned the future, questioned what’d happen me and my kids, questioned what’s happening my home. She kept giving me the ‘well, except you’ shit. Time progressed and she told me that she doesn’t care about me or anyone else, she explained that she tried but she just doesn’t care about anything that happens to others and she only ever pretended to. So I was living in this house, wife and three kids, I was paying for everything as I was the only one working. My wife was leaving the house at every opportunity, driving all over the county with some chick and a dude. And she wouldn’t be at home when i was, never off her phone and all that shit, shaving her lady bits and rushing out and being gone until all hours what not. I finished my run on the Tren. Tried my best to talk with her and get thru it.

Months later tried a lower dose of Tren, and then turns out my wife was fucking someone. In my car. In our bed. I found earrings in our own bed. Daughter passed a remark about ‘a man that comes to our house when you are in work’, which I’ve never got to the bottom of. All this shit started happening. As if she was using my steroid use as a reason. I don’t have a temper, and I’m actually rather chilled even on the Tren but as said it makes me think and talk. I did leave here, twice, but I came back as I’ll lose my kids. She will always win, that’s what the courts do.

So it was a long road, but I’ve just decided that im happy to work on myself and just be the best I can be. Im learning a new language, im going to rediscover myself in 2023, I’m going to make some real changes for myself and live my life for me and my kids.

I still live in the family home, with my wife. And I get the impression that we’re both here because it’s just easier. I pay the bills and we all have a home. There’s no aggression here as I understand that if that’s the way she is, then that’s the way she is. She’s been carrying this secret all her life and I won’t hold it against her as it was probably very hard to tell me the things she did. But at the same time, some things she dodo contradict what she told me.

That’s why I ditched the Tren. But I sure wasn’t on it for a year. I did 12 weeks and 8 weeks in two separate runs, I believe. My old diary got thrown out where I kept a log of all my blasts so I don’t have it there to reference.

Cruising on Tren was just an experiment. But at the end of the day, I just decided that cruising on Tren was just a fantasy. Not a viable future.

 

[crido887]

Trenbolone makes me think, and it made me talk.

While I was taking it the first time my wife told me she wasn’t attracted to men, and that she was only attracted to women. I wasn’t capable of processing this on the Tren. I questioned the future, questioned what’d happen me and my kids, questioned what’s happening my home. She kept giving me the ‘well, except you’ shit. Time progressed and she told me that she doesn’t care about me or anyone else, she explained that she tried but she just doesn’t care about anything that happens to others and she only ever pretended to. So I was living in this house, wife and three kids, I was paying for everything as I was the only one working. My wife was leaving the house at every opportunity, driving all over the county with some chick and a dude. And she wouldn’t be at home when i was, never off her phone and all that shit, shaving her lady bits and rushing out and being gone until all hours what not. I finished my run on the Tren. Tried my best to talk with her and get thru it.

Months later tried a lower dose of Tren, and then turns out my wife was fucking someone. In my car. In our bed. I found earrings in our own bed. Daughter passed a remark about ‘a man that comes to our house when you are in work’, which I’ve never got to the bottom of. All this shit started happening. As if she was using my steroid use as a reason. I don’t have a temper, and I’m actually rather chilled even on the Tren but as said it makes me think and talk. I did leave here, twice, but I came back as I’ll lose my kids. She will always win, that’s what the courts do.

So it was a long road, but I’ve just decided that im happy to work on myself and just be the best I can be. Im learning a new language, im going to rediscover myself in 2023, I’m going to make some real changes for myself and live my life for me and my kids.

I still live in the family home, with my wife. And I get the impression that we’re both here because it’s just easier. I pay the bills and we all have a home. There’s no aggression here as I understand that if that’s the way she is, then that’s the way she is. She’s been carrying this secret all her life and I won’t hold it against her as it was probably very hard to tell me the things she did. But at the same time, some things she dodo contradict what she told me.

That’s why I ditched the Tren. But I sure wasn’t on it for a year. I did 12 weeks and 8 weeks in two separate runs, I believe. My old diary got thrown out where I kept a log of all my blasts so I don’t have it there to reference.

Cruising on Tren was just an experiment. But at the end of the day, I just decided that cruising on Tren was just a fantasy. Not a viable future.

I am really sorry to hear that brother.

I appreciate your insight on this.

I never had thoughts like that in my head from my wife. We swing so that isn't a concern and we follow the rules. Pretty much together all the time.


I guess some people tolerate it more than others. But I understand what you are saying. I'm kind of wired right now on it. I talk more, more outgoing. I know I am a little full of my self. I am not normally like that. I kind of like being that way. I guess I'm tired of being humble. I worry more about other people other than me and my wife sometimes.


My wife has her own set of mental health issues. She got drunk and said the tren was making me act different, I didn't get mad. I just went to the other room and was questioning it. Then the next morning I apologized and she said she hasn't been on top of her meds. She said it wasn't me.

I will attempt a cruise on it. I think I can handle it. I will keep an active log with "mental notes". I can post all day about my gains but the big thing that affects me on a cycle is not even labs, it's mental fatigue

 

[crido887]

My HDL was cut in half on 3 weeks of tren. Ldl went from less than 100 to 170.

Alt/ast are barely elevated.. I don't think I'm gonna cruise on this, if I do. I will grab bloods 4 weeks in. Anavar didn't even do this damage. Even at 100.

 

[crido887]

HDL 22 from 49
Ldl 172 from 94

Ast47 from 40
Alt 55 from 44

3 weeks of tren

 

[lifter6973]

Trenbolone makes me think, and it made me talk.

While I was taking it the first time my wife told me she wasn’t attracted to men, and that she was only attracted to women. I wasn’t capable of processing this on the Tren. I questioned the future, questioned what’d happen me and my kids, questioned what’s happening my home. She kept giving me the ‘well, except you’ shit. Time progressed and she told me that she doesn’t care about me or anyone else, she explained that she tried but she just doesn’t care about anything that happens to others and she only ever pretended to. So I was living in this house, wife and three kids, I was paying for everything as I was the only one working. My wife was leaving the house at every opportunity, driving all over the county with some chick and a dude. And she wouldn’t be at home when i was, never off her phone and all that shit, shaving her lady bits and rushing out and being gone until all hours what not. I finished my run on the Tren. Tried my best to talk with her and get thru it.

Months later tried a lower dose of Tren, and then turns out my wife was fucking someone. In my car. In our bed. I found earrings in our own bed. Daughter passed a remark about ‘a man that comes to our house when you are in work’, which I’ve never got to the bottom of. All this shit started happening. As if she was using my steroid use as a reason. I don’t have a temper, and I’m actually rather chilled even on the Tren but as said it makes me think and talk. I did leave here, twice, but I came back as I’ll lose my kids. She will always win, that’s what the courts do.

So it was a long road, but I’ve just decided that im happy to work on myself and just be the best I can be. Im learning a new language, im going to rediscover myself in 2023, I’m going to make some real changes for myself and live my life for me and my kids.

I still live in the family home, with my wife. And I get the impression that we’re both here because it’s just easier. I pay the bills and we all have a home. There’s no aggression here as I understand that if that’s the way she is, then that’s the way she is. She’s been carrying this secret all her life and I won’t hold it against her as it was probably very hard to tell me the things she did. But at the same time, some things she dodo contradict what she told me.

That’s why I ditched the Tren. But I sure wasn’t on it for a year. I did 12 weeks and 8 weeks in two separate runs, I believe. My old diary got thrown out where I kept a log of all my blasts so I don’t have it there to reference.

Cruising on Tren was just an experiment. But at the end of the day, I just decided that cruising on Tren was just a fantasy. Not a viable future.

I was gonna say you would be the first guy I've seen on the boards take tren year round
Hope your personal situation gets better.

 

[crido887]

Maybe I'm just not used to elevated liver enzymes/bad lipids like this. Even 600 mast 600 test didn't do this.

 

[lifter6973]

Maybe I'm just not used to elevated liver enzymes/bad lipids like this. Even 600 mast 600 test didn't do this.

what was your weekly dose and how long were you on it? TrenA or E? That's fucked. At least your liver is ok.

 

[crido887]

what was your weekly dose and how long were you on it? TrenA or E? That's fucked. At least your liver is ok.

Tren e for 3 weeks

300 test U for 9 week
400 mast for 9 weeks
Was on deca 200 for 5 weeks prior to tren.


The last results were based off of test, mast, and deca for 5 weeks.

I'm getting off in a couple of weeks anyways..

 

[crido887]

what was your weekly dose and how long were you on it? TrenA or E? That's fucked. At least your liver is ok.

You know what. I also stopped hgh and started aromasin 12.5mg twice a week...

 

[crido887]

Sorry for slacking on this log.

My final dosing for this cycle was
Test U 300 a week(U gives appears to give better e2 control
Tren 200mg a week(dropped it from 250 2 weeks ago)
Mast 600mg a week.
I dropped the AI when I went to test U.


My recent blood work looked for the most part
Ultra e2 was 99. no gyno flareups or anything. never had it.

Mental Notes at the end seems to appear that 200mg of tren a week is really the sweet spot to minimize sides. I would only suspect Tren H would be better because there are less peaks.

More stable emotions at 200. Still was snoring, my wife was fine with it. she said I was acting better if anything. still aggressive and a little irritable at the gym, but I feel I would be like that on or off cycle with people wasting holding up machines(new people).

10 week run
Starting weight 207-209
End weight is 233-234.(let says 10 lbs of water)
Last scan said I gained 2.2 lbs of fat. Lets say its 3 now.
Lean LBM gain Hopefully is 9-10 lbs.


I was super happy with this run. I never thought I would get so sick and tired of eating. I will start the cut this week. I gave myself a starter dose of semaglutide yesterday so I can start transitioning my diet without hunger pains. I will do 0.25mg Tirazepide on Tuesday

my injections this week to prevent fatigue will be 200 mast and 100mg of tren on Wednesday(skipping test U this week).

The week after would be another no mast and 100mg of Tren+200mg of Test U

Subsequent weeks will be weekly doses of 200mg of test U and 50mg of tren H(I should have it on hand).

 

[lukiss96]

What benefits do you expect from tren on cruise? Higher weight retention?

I would be worried about tren's affect on brain using it long term, regardless if the dosage is low. With tren it's never low enough. Tren and alzheimer kinda hard to forget that one, I think type2 wrote something about it too. Maybe mast or primo would work better for you.

Overall, at this point I just think cruising on something more than testosterone is just fucking around and eventually test is best.

 

[crido887]

What benefits do you expect from tren on cruise? Higher weight retention?

I would be worried about tren's affect on brain using it long term, regardless if the dosage is low. With tren it's never low enough. Tren and alzheimer kinda hard to forget that one, I think type2 wrote something about it too. Maybe mast or primo would work better for you.

Overall, at this point I just think cruising on something more than testosterone is just fucking around and eventually test is best.

the true reason of the "low dose tren" is to cut while I am on it. Maybe it should really be considered an extension of the cycle and I should just keep it at 100.

 

[lukiss96]

the true reason of the "low dose tren" is to cut while I am on it. Maybe it should really be considered an extension of the cycle and I should just keep it at 100.

Yeah, if you want to extend the cycle and cut more aggressively here I'd say that's more likely a better approach. Otherwise cruising on tren just doesn't work, it's never low enough to feel comfy on it and you just get fatigued overtime.