Starvation/Fat Loss

[Adrenolin]

Keto for me helps decrease the body's response to ghrelin whilst increasing its response to leptin. I'm less hungry while in ketosis, and get to the point of satiation much more quickly which helps to keep me from overeating

 

[xyokoma]

What I can’t figure out is with all the technology of today there are no ghrelin suppressor pills . Are there?

Look up phentermine.

 

[CJ]

What I can’t figure out is with all the technology of today there are no ghrelin suppressor pills . Are there?

To date, five weight loss agents have been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA): orlistat, naltrexone/bupropion, phentermine/topiramate, lorcaserin, and liraglutide. These medicines may be divided into several different types of drugs....

Anti-ghrelin antibodies in appetite suppression: recent advances in obesity pharmacotherapy

Obesity is a medical condition caused by accumulated excess body fat with negative impact on patients’ health, including decreased life expectancy. It has become a major health problem in most developed and developing countries, since the worldwide ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Yano]

Keto for me helps decrease the body's response to ghrelin whilst increasing its response to leptin. I'm less hungry while in ketosis, and get to the point of satiation much more quickly which helps to keep me from overeating

When I started losing weight 2 years ago I started out with keto , lost the first 30lbs or so on it. I had the same experience I was just never hungry I had to remind myself to eat at least twice a day whether I wanted to or not. Took 3 weeks or so I would say before that never hungry feeling kicked in.

 

[PEBBLE1992]

Look up phentermine.

I actually had some before and currently take adderall. At nearly 30 I am realizing no matter the supplement/gear It is mostly in my fucking mind.

 

[PEBBLE1992]

I greatly appreciate all the advice from you all and have enjoyed being a member here. In the past year, I went from 225 lbs to 195 lbs. I am 5’8”. I take between 50-100 mg of test weekly. My current goal is to lose fat then maybe increase the test a little and “maybe” try one cycle of var and see where it goes. I just don’t want to be consumed by anything because of a terrible addictive personality.

 

[xyokoma]

I actually had some before and currently take adderall. At nearly 30 I am realizing no matter the supplement/gear It is mostly in my fucking mind.

Sure, I have the same issue. Unfortunately therapists are much more expensive than pills.

 

[Send0]

I greatly appreciate all the advice from you all and have enjoyed being a member here. In the past year, I went from 225 lbs to 195 lbs. I am 5’8”. I take between 50-100 mg of test weekly. My current goal is to lose fat then maybe increase the test a little and “maybe” try one cycle of var and see where it goes. I just don’t want to be consumed by anything because of a terrible addictive personality.

You take between 50-100mg per week? You should be taking the exact same amount every week, not a random amount from week to week.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote?

 

[PEBBLE1992]

You take between 50-100mg per week? You should be taking the exact same amount every week, not a random amount from week to week.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote?

No you read correctly. So no alternating?

 

[Send0]

No you read correctly. So no alternating?

Your dose needs to be the same every week. Lowering and raising your dose will lead to unstable hormone levels, which can result in different side effects in individuals.

Was there a reason or goal you were trying to achieve by alternating your dose? Maybe if I understood that I could make a recommendation on how to achieve that without changing your dosage every other week.

 

[PEBBLE1992]

Your dose needs to be the same every week. Lowering and raising your dose will lead to unstable hormone levels, which can result in different side effects in individuals.

Was there a reason or goal you were trying to achieve by alternating your dose? Maybe if I understood that I could make a recommendation on how to achieve that without changing your dosage every other week.

To be honest just trying to keep it at a minimum but bloodwork is showing still low. As I said before I have battled addiction issues in the past and I probably don’t need to look at test as a “drug”. Knowing myself and being completely honest with myself I don’t want to keep increasing more and more. But I think I see your point and that is I need to find a consistent dosage and continue bloodwork.

 

[Send0]

To be honest just trying to keep it at a minimum but bloodwork is showing still low. As I said before I have battled addiction issues in the past and I probably don’t need to look at test as a “drug”. Knowing myself and being completely honest with myself I don’t want to keep increasing more and more. But I think I see your point and that is I need to find a consistent dosage and continue bloodwork.

I would say stick to 100mg/week and see where that puts your bloodwork.

There's no way I can actually know, but I would guess that would put you between 600-700ng/dL trough. Which is decent for true TRT purposes.

Give it a shot and pull new blood work after 4 weeks.

 

[PEBBLE1992]

I would say stick to 100mg/week and see where that puts your bloodwork.

There's no way I can actually know, but I would guess that would put you between 600-700ng/dL trough. Which is decent for true TRT purposes.

Give it a shot and pull new blood work after 4 weeks.

Sounds good thanks man. I am looking forward to seeing better results.

 

[Kraken]

Thank you skullcrusher this was extremely informative. I have been afraid of carbs for awhile now. I Also, I enjoy drinking beer/liquor. You correct me if I am wrong but too much alcohol is a terrible enemy. Is that true?

https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/the-truth-about-alcohol-5-tips-for-smarter-holiday-sips/

At the end of the day it's about calories in/out. If you are burning more calories than what you take in, then you will lose weight.

So many people miss this simple truth.

As I said before I have battled addiction issues in the past and I probably don’t need to look at test as a “drug”.

Maybe stop drinking? Sounds like alcohol is a double wammy for you.

 

[PEBBLE1992]

https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/the-truth-about-alcohol-5-tips-for-smarter-holiday-sips/

So many people miss this simple truth.


Maybe stop drinking? Sounds like alcohol is a double wammy for you.

Very good point. I have good self control but it might be best to give it up. Moderation with just about everything but when control is lost it goes to shit.

 

[OldBuckaroo]

I apologize if this post seems ignorant or stupid but I really want some feedback if some fellow members have the time. I feel like there is a lot more in these questions than I realize but I will give it a shot.
(1) when you feel hunger is that a sign you are losing fat overall? (2) Is getting lean and defining your abs/chest a mind over matter ordeal? (3) Lastly, Will my energy decrease the leaner I try to get?
I am far enough along in the process to see good gains and better definition but wonder whether it is a diet or lack of cardio issue. I am sincerely trying to make the “lifestyle” approach if this makes sense.

I recently researched the risks and rewards associated with fasting. To be honest, the only reason I'm not in favor of that approach is because I'm trying to gain muscle and strength while losing weight. If you're only concerned with losing weight and don't care about losing muscle mass as well, then fasting might be worth considering. There are a variety of understated benefits associated with fasting. Here are a couple of excellent videos on fasting:

1) I don't remember the source, but I think I read once that fat burning starts soon after the hunger goes away (while fasting). I've fasted before (water only) and I know from experience the hunger pains typically only last for the first few days. After a few days of fasting, even the thought of food can actually make you feel nausea, which makes fasting easier. The key to fasting though is to not put yourself in a situation where food is readily accessible (especially unhealthy food). Remove the temptations and it'll come much easier.

One important thing to recognize when it comes to fasting is that although it is arguably the fastest way to lose fat quickly, the vast majority of people who lose weight this way simply gain it all back because they make the mistake of returning to a high calorie diet. I believe the only way to keep the fat off is to gradually increase your calorie intake until you reach a number necessary to maintain your current weight. Eating healthy and eliminating sugars should be a permanent lifestyle choice though.

2) Folks need to lose the fat covering up those muscles in order for the abs and chest to show definition. You could have a rock solid 6-pack underneath all those layers of fat (at least, that's probably the case for me). More muscle mass will stretch the fat and skin layers revealing some definition, but losing the fat is how to get the most definition. Unfortunately, it usually requires a lot of dedication in both diet and fitness to get to that point. To lose the sutbborn bellly and chest fat, simply working the muscles in the gym is not good enough if you're overweight. You also have to adopt a healthy diet with a calorie deficit to ensure your body steady consumes the fat. It may not take its calories from those particular fat cells at first, but eventually it'll have to to survive.

3) Your energy will likely decrease while actively losing weight and maintaining a calorie deficit, which is one of the main reasons why losing weight doesn't come easy for most folks. However, once you've lost the weight and return to a healthy diet with a balanced calorie intake (not too excessive, but not a deficit either), you'll find you have more energy than before. This is because your body is able to work more efficiently because it has less weight to carry around (less calories needed to complete the same tasks), and your heart will be able to deliver oxygen to your cells faster and with less effort which is essential for cellular energy. Eliminating processed foods and added sugars will also improve your energy levels over time, and luckily doing so is a vital part of losing excess weight. Most people can certainly achieve a healthier lifestyle and lose weight without doing cardio, but adding cardio is very beneficial because it boosts oxygen circulation inside the body, which increases mitochondria's energy production.

 

[CJ]

I recently researched the risks and rewards associated with fasting. To be honest, the only reason I'm not in favor of that approach is because I'm trying to gain muscle and strength while losing weight. If you're only concerned with losing weight and don't care about losing muscle mass as well, then fasting might be worth considering. There are a variety of understated benefits associated with fasting. Here are a couple of excellent videos on fasting:

1) I don't remember the source, but I think I read once that fat burning starts soon after the hunger goes away (while fasting). I've fasted before (water only) and I know from experience the hunger pains typically only last for the first few days. After a few days of fasting, even the thought of food can actually make you feel nausea, which makes fasting easier. The key to fasting though is to not put yourself in a situation where food is readily accessible (especially unhealthy food). Remove the temptations and it'll come much easier.

One important thing to recognize when it comes to fasting is that although it is arguably the fastest way to lose fat quickly, the vast majority of people who lose weight this way simply gain it all back because they make the mistake of returning to a high calorie diet. I believe the only way to keep the fat off is to gradually increase your calorie intake until you reach a number necessary to maintain your current weight. Eating healthy and eliminating sugars should be a permanent lifestyle choice though.

2) Folks need to lose the fat covering up those muscles in order for the abs and chest to show definition. You could have a rock solid 6-pack underneath all those layers of fat (at least, that's probably the case for me). More muscle mass will stretch the fat and skin layers revealing some definition, but losing the fat is how to get the most definition. Unfortunately, it usually requires a lot of dedication in both diet and fitness to get to that point. To lose the sutbborn bellly and chest fat, simply working the muscles in the gym is not good enough if you're overweight. You also have to adopt a healthy diet with a calorie deficit to ensure your body steady consumes the fat. It may not take its calories from those particular fat cells at first, but eventually it'll have to to survive.

3) Your energy will likely decrease while actively losing weight and maintaining a calorie deficit, which is one of the main reasons why losing weight doesn't come easy for most folks. However, once you've lost the weight and return to a healthy diet with a balanced calorie intake (not too excessive, but not a deficit either), you'll find you have more energy than before. This is because your body is able to work more efficiently because it has less weight to carry around (less calories needed to complete the same tasks), and your heart will be able to deliver oxygen to your cells faster and with less effort which is essential for cellular energy. Eliminating processed foods and added sugars will also improve your energy levels over time, and luckily doing so is a vital part of losing excess weight. Most people can certainly achieve a healthier lifestyle and lose weight without doing cardio, but adding cardio is very beneficial because it boosts oxygen circulation inside the body, which increases mitochondria's energy production.

You're burning fat all day long, not only after hunger starts.

The key is not to replace more than you're burning each day, each week, each month.

 

[Kraken]

You're burning fat all day long, not only after hunger starts.

The key is not to replace more than you're burning each day, each week, each month.

I have been told be reputable people that when your body is seriously deprived of calories, it will consume mostly muscle before mostly fat, in an effort to preserve is reserves. Any thoughts on that? I'm not a fan of fasting.

 

[OldBuckaroo]

You're burning fat all day long, not only after hunger starts.

The key is not to replace more than you're burning each day, each week, each month.

Here a source from the University of Michigan:

healthblog.uofmhealth.org/wellness-prevention/intermittent-fasting-it-right-for-you

"What is the most effective fasting time window?​

Fat burning typically begins after approximately 12 hours of fasting and escalates between 16 and 24 hours of fasting. "

I believe when the hunger is completely gone is when nearly 100% of your energy is being taken from fat and muscle tissues.

 

[CJ]

I have been told be reputable people that when your body is seriously deprived of calories, it will consume mostly muscle before mostly fat, in an effort to preserve is reserves. Any thoughts on that? I'm not a fan of fasting.

If you're already pretty lean, it will shift, yes. You're body doesn't want to die.

If you're obese though, not a concern.

I wouldn't fast for weight loss. Unless it's life threatening obesity.