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My strength will go up buy doing 2 squats sessions a week

Maybe I phrase the question wrong I was asking do you need to squat three times a week
You can squat from 0-7 times a week. If a person is still progressing then it is still working no matter how tough it feels. I am squatting 2-3 times a week right now and progressing. But i started squatting decades ago i am 62. And just added them back in a while back. Only doing 3 plates but it goes up every workout. Probably only get up to 4 plates and call it good. As my days of lifting big are over.
 

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You can squat from 0-7 times a week. If a person is still progressing then it is still working no matter how tough it feels. I am squatting 2-3 times a week right now and progressing. But i started squatting decades ago i am 62. And just added them back in a while back. Only doing 3 plates but it goes up every workout. Probably only get up to 4 plates and call it good. As my days of lifting big are over.
A big key to what you’re saying is I assume you once had the strength that you are building back to. That helps a lot.

But you are right, you can squat 0-7 times a week. Oylimpic lifters tend to do more frequency lower intensity, but that’s a skill acquisition as much as anything, and your cns learning how to fire correctly. They also tend to do more technical lifts. But sure, you’d still build muscle. Optimally? Doubt it. Does it matter? Up to that person I suppose. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

At the same time, some people swap too much and never progress before throwing in the towel and learning how to push it. So that’s when being there in person to judge sure helps.

But the way he logged his lifts, I also don’t think he was pushing too hard.
 

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A big key to what you’re saying is I assume you once had the strength that you are building back to. That helps a lot.

But you are right, you can squat 0-7 times a week. Oylimpic lifters tend to do more frequency lower intensity, but that’s a skill acquisition as much as anything, and your cns learning how to fire correctly. They also tend to do more technical lifts. But sure, you’d still build muscle. Optimally? Doubt it. Does it matter? Up to that person I suppose. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

At the same time, some people swap too much and never progress before throwing in the towel and learning how to push it. So that’s when being there in person to judge sure helps.

But the way he logged his lifts, I also don’t think he was pushing too hard.
Regrowing strengthen is much the same as a new person starting out trying to gain strength as i see it. Most of the gains are the CNS early on figuring out how to do things easier. As that is less taxing then growing new muscle. Th human being and body is as lazy as it can be from my perspective. A new person starting out will make the biggest strength gains early in a routine but not that much muscle.
Until a person takes themselves to the next level they think the previous level was intense.
 

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Regrowing strengthen is much the same as a new person starting out trying to gain strength as i see it. Most of the gains are the CNS early on figuring out how to do things easier. As that is less taxing then growing new muscle. Th human being and body is as lazy as it can be from my perspective. A new person starting out will make the biggest strength gains early in a routine but not that much muscle.
Until a person takes themselves to the next level they think the previous level was intense.
Same order sure, but the speed it comes back is not the same. Yes you notice strength increase first, but you know the muscle is following soon behind if all is in check. But if it took you 2 years to break 300 for the first time ever in a squat, and you take off from lifting 5-10 years, the next time you start back I’d get money you’d get back to that 300lbs squat and roughly the muscle mass you had to do that in 1/2 or 1/3 of the time in my experience. So within a year or slightly less.
 

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Same order sure, but the speed it comes back is not the same. Yes you notice strength increase first, but you know the muscle is following soon behind if all is in check. But if it took you 2 years to break 300 for the first time ever in a squat, and you take off from lifting 5-10 years, the next time you start back I’d get money you’d get back to that 300lbs squat and roughly the muscle mass you had to do that in 1/2 or 1/3 of the time in my experience. So within a year or slightly less.
I was of course speaking in a broad general sense. As my fingers would get tired from typing out al the details. And was just referencing the adaptions being along the same lines. Not necessarily the same time table.
 

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I was of course speaking in a broad general sense. As my fingers would get tired from typing out al the details. And was just referencing the adaptions being along the same lines. Not necessarily the same time table.
Ah ok. Well I misunderstood. My point by building back to what you were once being easier is maybe worded better by quicker than the first time, but same principles.
 

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Ah ok. Well I misunderstood. My point by building back to what you were once being easier is maybe worded better by quicker than the first time, but same principles.
Very true. If some one has taken time off from a movement. But has never lost any muscle as they were still training using other movements. Which is more like me and what i have done over the years. They will not be as strong but when returning to the movement the CNS relearns the movement the strength goes up yet no muscle is really grown . The strength gain is all CNS
 

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Very true. If some one has taken time off from a movement. But has never lost any muscle as they were still training using other movements. Which is more like me and what i have done over the years. They will not be as strong but when returning to the movement the CNS relearns the movement the strength goes up yet no muscle is really grown . The strength gain is all CNS
100%. Same page now. The fun part is when you did build muscle and go back to that movement, the lift goes up Even if you start out lower than when you stopped, all because of the CNS.
 

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Any program works for a beginner as long as they put in the effort, and many do not.

Bread and butter program/ templates seem to get stale for many news b/c it lacks the variability which keeps things fresh and fun.
 

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Any program works for a beginner as long as they put in the effort, and many do not.

Bread and butter program/ templates seem to get stale for many news b/c it lacks the variability which keeps things fresh and fun.
While i found back breaking training fun. Most people do not find it near as entertaining. Most just want the results. I liked the process of trying to progress at least as much as the progression itself. It is about long term discipline which i why it is not a sport for everyone. Those who like struggling, being sore, tired, and injured, either force feeding or starving themselves are probably not normal. But it can leave me with a happy glow!
 
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I would argue squatting three times a week could be killer for intermediate to advanced lifters. When you're a beginner, you have so much room to grow that it shouldn't be overly taxing to squat three times a week. These types of programs aren't meant to be run in perpetuity though. Once you hit a wall, deload and attack it again. Chances are you'll break thtough it. If you hit the wall again (at a higher weight presumably), deload and attack it again. Once the walls become too difficult to break through, then move to another program where squatting 5x5 for 3 days a week isn't a requirement. By this time, you may be considered an intermediate lifter. 531 (and its variations) is a great intermediate program and has been recommended by others.
 
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